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| The software was written by Bosch who now claim they warned VW that if they installed in cars for sale then it would be illegal. You have to ask what were Bosch doing selling this cheating software in the first place? Did VW commision the project? How much did they pay for it? Who authorised it?
IMO this was a deliberate policy to cheat the system and the public and it must of had approval all the way to the top as VW sought to overtake Toyota as the No1 car producer in the world.
VW are now open to major 'class' actions for fraud among other things as they charged a premium price justified by their claims to be greener and more economic than their competitors.
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| Quote Lord Elpers="Lord Elpers"The software was written by Bosch who now claim they warned VW that if they installed in cars for sale then it would be illegal. You have to ask what were Bosch doing selling this cheating software in the first place? Did VW commision the project? How much did they pay for it? Who authorised it?
IMO this was a deliberate policy to cheat the system and the public and it must of had approval all the way to the top as VW sought to overtake Toyota as the No1 car producer in the world.
VW are now open to major 'class' actions for fraud among other things as they charged a premium price justified by their claims to be greener and more economic than their competitors.'"
But fraud is part of capitalism, it's what greed is there for, and you love capitalism QED you love greed. 
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| Is what VW have done any different to say Coca Cola funding organisations or "research" saying sugar doesn't cause obesity or likewise the research funded by the mobile 'phone industry saying how safe it is and the suppression of research that shows otherwise? All the companies should be taken to the cleaners by governments but they won't be.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Is what VW have done any different to say Coca Cola funding organisations or "research" saying sugar doesn't cause obesity or likewise the research funded by the mobile 'phone industry saying how safe it is and the suppression of research that shows otherwise? All the companies should be taken to the cleaners by governments but they won't be.'"
Sort of, but not quite. It would be the same as if Coca Cola lied about how much sugar was in their drinks.
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| Quote Him="Him"Sort of, but not quite. It would be the same as if Coca Cola lied about how much sugar was in their drinks.'"
Clearly, but each would appear to be trying to misinform / mislead in order to protect or enhance sales.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Clearly, but each would appear to be trying to misinform / mislead in order to protect or enhance sales.'"
I agree entirely and you could of course ask where are the media stories on such things.
But I guess it's still one step, albeit a small one, away from flat out lying about what's in your product.
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| Just had notification that one of our vehicles (a Skoda Yeti)is affected. They are working how to rectify things as a priority! Can't see the point in rectification - if they lied about emissions then the emissions are what they are. Any fix will no doubt reduce power / performance so hopefully they won't get round to fixing it before next summer when we are due to hand it back (3 year lease).
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Just had notification that one of our vehicles (a Skoda Yeti)is affected. They are working how to rectify things as a priority! Can't see the point in rectification - if they lied about emissions then the emissions are what they are. Any fix will no doubt reduce power / performance so hopefully they won't get round to fixing it before next summer when we are due to hand it back (3 year lease).'"
My dads Skoda Superb is affected too.
As far as I know the "fix" shouldn't affect performance just what information is given out by the car.
From the albeit limited information I've seen I think the issue is that the software could detect when the car was being tested and alter the info given to the tester equipment.
I could be very wrong on that as my knowledge of cars extends only as far as changing a wheel and topping up the oil and screenwash.
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| Quote Him="Him"My dads Skoda Superb is affected too.
As far as I know the "fix" shouldn't affect performance just what information is given out by the car.
From the albeit limited information I've seen I think the issue is that the software could detect when the car was being tested and alter the info given to the tester equipment.
I could be very wrong on that as my knowledge of cars extends only as far as changing a wheel and topping up the oil and screenwash.'"
VW officials have already said there will likely be a performance hit.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"VW officials have already said there will likely be a performance hit.'"
Correct. They can't get the engine performance required and pass the emissions regulations. I heard from a European colleague that in some cases they will have to change the entire engine and that they have estimated 50 billion euros as the cost to the company overall.
I am going to be very surprised if VW are the only diesel manufacturer who have done this,
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| Quote DHM="DHM"Correct. They can't get the engine performance required and pass the emissions regulations. I heard from a European colleague that in some cases they will have to change the entire engine and that they have estimated 50 billion euros as the cost to the company overall.
I am going to be very surprised if VW are the only diesel manufacturer who have done this,'"
Sorry but I reckon your friend is talking out of his 'arris.
I seriously doubt that any vehicle would need re-powering. A re-map of the ECU should be sufficient for every vehicle that may be affected
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| I feel kinda smug with my part veggie oil run B5.5 Passat estate now, I was going to trade up to a B7 140PS bluemotion but had read lots regarding all sorts of issues including poor mpg. Mine gets through the emissions test on first pass every year, is quieter than most of the newer diesels, less smokey in general & still gets within 10% of the official figures regularly, once exceeding it on a long run back along the French autoroute.
I've averaged 5k/year for the last 10 and now do less than 4,000, almost half of that is travelling up to Hull to watch matches/visiting the folks so replacing is a consideration more out of boredom of the car than a necessity.
It's a shame we are still probably a hundred years away from nuclear fusion technology
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