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| Quote rover49="rover49"When someone has the clear intention of 'wiping you off the face of the earth''"
You do understand the difference between wiping the STATE of Israel off the face of the earth (in favour of a TWO-STATE solution) and wiping every ISRAELI off the face of the earth?
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"You clearly have no knowledge of what Hamas is prepared to offer (such as recognition of the state of Israel, peace along the lines of the UN proposal which has been on the table for decades).'"
Your naivety is charming, although somewhat surprising given how often you accuse others of it.
Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Ask yourself the question, if Hamas is the problem - why was no peace negotiated in the three years BEFORE Hamas assumed power?'"
I didn't say that Hamas were the problem. That's just your usual knee-jerk response of assuming that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your POV must automatically have the diametrically opposite POV. Hamas is certainly [ipart[/i of the problem, as is Israel. Two sets of murderous thugs cheerfully attempting to exterminate each other. Lovely.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"It IS a form of collective punishment.
Israel has no intention of negotiating and will not cease until it controls all of the Gaza strip and West Bank. How much of the West Bank has it stolen already?
The Palestinians have a choice - die or fight. They're fighting.'"
Israel could easily have control of those areas. But they don’t.
The Palestinians also have a multitude of choices, not just the false dichotomy you have proposed.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"You do understand the difference between wiping the STATE of Israel off the face of the earth (in favour of a TWO-STATE solution) and wiping every ISRAELI off the face of the earth?'"
And the scary thing is that you probably actually believe that.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"icon_lol.gif
And the scary thing is that you probably actually believe that.'"
I'm wondering why you choose NOT to believe it whilst - I assume - you believe Israel is committed to peace.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Your naivety is charming, although somewhat surprising given how often you accuse others of it.
I didn't say that Hamas were the problem. That's just your usual knee-jerk response of assuming that anyone who doesn't agree 100% with your POV must automatically have the diametrically opposite POV. Hamas is certainly [ipart[/i of the problem, as is Israel. Two sets of murderous thugs cheerfully attempting to exterminate each other. Lovely.'"
I'm at a complete loss to explain how you EQUATE the suffering of both. Do you know the comparative death tolls since the Palestinians were kicked off their land by a colonial power?
Please explain how you do it. Seriously, I'm interested.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"I'm wondering why you choose NOT to believe it whilst - I assume - you believe Israel is committed to peace.'"
And there you go again with the assumptions. You could try actually reading what people post instead. For instance the bit where I describe both sides as murderous and bent on each other's annihilation?
Sweeping the state of Israel from the face of the planet very clearly does not refer to negotiation of a two-state solution. Anyone who honestly thinks that it does is wearing the rosiest of rose-tinted glasses.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Israel could easily have control of those areas. But they don’t. '"
Yes, they could. But, oddly enough, Israel is conscious of world opinion and the damage it could suffer if it were to exterminate the entire Palestinian population. Which is why they are very careful over when to launch their attacks (such as immediately after the US elections).
Quote SmokeyTAThe Palestinians also have a multitude of choices, not just the false dichotomy you have proposed.'"
Explain.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Yes, they could. But, oddly enough, Israel is conscious of world opinion and the damage it could suffer if it were to exterminate the entire Palestinian population. Which is why they are very careful over when to launch their attacks (such as immediately after the US elections). '" Because just after the US elections means obama would be less critical? Surely the time to do it would have been a week or two beforehand?
Quote MugwumpExplain.'" fight or die arent the only options, just as they arent for israel
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"And there you go again with the assumptions. You could try actually reading what people post instead. For instance the bit where I describe both sides as murderous and bent on each other's annihilation?'"
And you clearly didn't watch the Youtube clip. Watch it and respond. Please.
Quote KoshSweeping the state of Israel from the face of the planet very clearly does not refer to negotiation of a two-state solution. Anyone who honestly thinks that it does is wearing the rosiest of rose-tinted glasses.'"
If Hamas have made the offer why hasn't Israel called its bluff? After all, if Hamas went back on its word it would clearly make the Israeli cause that much stronger.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Because just after the US elections means obama would be less critical? Surely the time to do it would have been a week or two beforehand?'"
The fact that Israel picks its time to launch attacks in order to minimise overseas condemnation is beyond question. Even Haaretz (one of Israeli's leading newspapers - available in English) admits such.
Quote SmokeyTAight or die arent the only options, just as they arent for israel'"
Explain.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"The fact that Israel picks its time to launch attacks in order to minimise overseas condemnation is beyond question. Even Haaretz (one of Israeli's leading newspapers - available in English) admits such. '" Really? Israel tries to present itself in the best light it can? I am surprised…..
Quote MugwumpExplain.'" There are other choices, Fight and die isn’t the only choice. There other options, The options you have presented aren’t the only ones, there are a multitude of others
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