Buderus cost us the game yesterday. Was greedy and went for the try when we had unmarked players. If we had scored we would have got other tries.

At 6-20 Buderus had a man unmarked yards from the line and went for glory himself.



That was a key moment.



He marched Wigan upfield in the first half to gift them 2 points.



Ultimately that was the difference between us being 3 scores down rather than 2 scores down just after the break.



He was lucky on our try too. That shouldn't have been given.

Specifically Buderus defence was better than diskin his passing from dummy half was better than diskins. There you go 2 examples.



I too thought the same as the original poster. No agenda from me. I was at the game and that's what I saw.

Is that the same defence that gave away 3 penalties in the biggest game of the season?



Buderus dummy half work was no better than Diskin's last night, as witnessed by Diskin winning penalties with his, whilst his more experienced colleague failed to do that.

I've already given specific examples upthread, but also anecdotally we were 6-2 up when Buderus went off, and 20-6 down when he came back on.

and of the 18 point swing how much of it was down to Diskin? Before you answer that, watch the kicks for tries again, he couldn't have done much more about it.



The reason that Wigan scored tries from kicks is because they sucked Webb into the tackle before and no one filled in at fullback to defuse / clear the danger.

Means nothing.

of course this is in your opinion. My opinion is different. Defence is different to giving penalties away.

Isn't the basic fundamental of defence to stop the opposition from gaining field position and scoring points? Assuming the above is correct, and I think it's hard to argue against, how does giving a penalty away and affording your opposition easy metres and more tackles help in this regard?



btw, I have no objection to people having different opinions, it's what makes a message board interesting.

Buderus has cost us the double this season, and a 4th title on the trot.



In fact, buderus has ruined my life.

Really, you need to get out more then, or stop talking shoite...

Yeah, because i was being serious....







I just thought it was funny how the thread progressed, and suddenly we have someone saying buderus cost us the game!!!! Per lease.