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I don't think he is wrong. He just sees his value to the team in a different way to you and I.



FWIW I can see why he thinks these things, and despite being a defender of him on these boards, he has still underperformed, I just think that the negatives are outweighed by his positives.

That's not what I was talking about. He's got an opinion on that which is fine, but the term "contributed virtually nothing" was ridiculous.



I was talking about the rest of the posts.

Out of interest where do people think Buderus comes on list of major signings of the last 10 years or so



I would say something like this



Donald

Poching

Furner

Leuluai

Bai

Webb

Lauiti'iti

Ellis

Peacock





I'm sure I've missed some there,a nd its quite hard to balance the various aspects, but I have tried to based on appearances, impact, expectation, commitment, reputaion, likely cost

I would say out of all them, including the disaster ones, that the biggest non event for me personally was Vowles.



I say that, not because he was bad, but because I personally thought he was an absolute class player, very under rated (despite man of steel), and a fantastic rugby brain on him. But for some reason it just didn't quite work out here for him.

I'd agree with that. I was very disappointed in the difference in his form from Cas to Us.

Still



Vowles - South Stand - Lowes = Legend.

Vowles smacked James Lowes in the face.



Do not under-estimate that.

forgot about that.



Still, Vowles would have done a lot better trying to tackle properly rather than put king hits in all the time.

He wasn't the first either. The biggest non event ever for me (and I know Leeds have had plenty), is Richie Eyres. The difference in that lad on coming to Leeds and what he was away from here was huge.

That was a particularly poor era for underperformers.

Err.. cough , Paul Bell , cough