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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Yes I have seen the try before but thanks for that as it highlights two things very well
1 - Why the pass was ruled OK as per my explanation
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2 - Some people still can't grasp the basics'"
Where is John Senior when you need him?
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"=#BF0000The NRL system could be worth a look at.
The on field officials confer as we do in SL, if they decide to go to the Video Referee they give their opinion on what they saw with a clear signal to show Try or No Try.
That's far from final but it shows what their on-field view is. If their live view is a Try then the video referee has to find a clear reason to overule.
Relating that to Sunday - assuming Silverwood was minded to award the try - as appeared the case with his clearly audible 'play-on' call then his initial Try decision may have been upheld by the VR.
Watched the St George V Penrith game at the weekend and despite having two video referees and an initial call of try from the onfield officials they still bizarrely (IMO) came up with an overule - so I guess as long as humans are involved it's probably impossible to eliminate all human error - whatever system you have.'"
Agree, it would have been interesting to see what Silverwoods call would have been. He obviously thought that there MAY have been a problem as asked the video ref to check possible obstruction.
I like the Aussie ruling as it does give a bit of direction to the video ref.
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| I notice on the bbc super league show both tony smith and wilken thought the McGuire try should have been allowed.
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| I thought Smith contradicted himself on that one.
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| wigan got all the 50/50 calls yet again from bentham just like at wembley in 2011
regarding the no-try,would this have been picked up had the game not been on tv?
i agree that players now know how to impede dummy runners and how to best reap the rewards but surely common sense must prevail and that the impeded player would have to have been capable of stopping the try,i don't believe that sundays incident was preventable by the impeded player alone,add to the fact how far out the incident occurred too as most obstructions happen much closer to the tryline
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I think the bigger problem from my point of view was he had already called play-on, Silverwood saw the incident and made a decision on it. It wasn’t a case of him allowing the play to see where it finished (at the time of the offence it wasn’t a clear opportunity) more him seeing an incident, making a decision on it, then because it eventually resulted in a try getting a 2nd opinion on it. The issue is the discrepancy between Mcguire getting tackled a yard out, and Leeds scoring the next play-the-ball and the referees decision stands, and Mcguire scoring with a good bit of play and the referee giving up on his decision. I think there need to be a process whereby either we stick with the referee’s decision that he made when he called play-on originally, or that possible obstruction is checked by the VR even if he doesn’t score.'"
I agree.
The pertinent point for me is that if McGuire hadn't had the skill to dummy Tomkins and Tomkins had been a better FB (a la Hardaker  ) by making the tackle; then any legitamate score off the next play would have been allowed and the 'obstruction' forgotten.
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| Quote nantwichexile="nantwichexile"I agree.
The pertinent point for me is that if McGuire hadn't had the skill to dummy Tomkins and Tomkins had been a better FB (a la Hardaker
) by making the tackle; then any legitamate score off the next play would have been allowed and the 'obstruction' forgotten.'"
Personally while watching the game I was shouting at the TV for Mags to take the tackle as when I saw it at the time I thought obstruction.
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| Quote ROCHDALERHINO="ROCHDALERHINO"Without the cameras there yesterday the Maguire try stands and we win the game '"
By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.
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| Quote gary numan="gary numan"I know well about the velocity in relation to the ground etc.. but it is quite clear that the ball leaves tomkins hand in a forward motion not just because the player is moving in a forward direction.'"
The only thing that is quite clear is that you and I have a different opinion on the direction it left Tomkins hands. More camera angles are needed and even then only if positioned precisely in line and people will still no doubt see things differently. Camera angles from behind the play (majority of TV shots as cameras tend to be positioned high above the centre line) tend to make passes look more forward than they are while cameras from behind the dead-ball line have the opposite effect.
Flat and backward passes are legal. Tomkins would have found it difficult to propel the ball forward while moving at speed and had he managed to do so Richards would have needed to be stood in front of the passer or sprouted wings in order to collect it, IMO.
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.'"
I think he was short anyway
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| Quote Finfin="Finfin"By that logic Powell's try just after half time would have been allowed and at 26-12 the game would probably have been over.'"
I would imagine Watkins try may not have been given without the replays also
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"The only thing that is quite clear is that you and I have a different opinion on the direction it left Tomkins hands. More camera angles are needed and even then only if positioned precisely in line and people will still no doubt see things differently. Camera angles from behind the play (majority of TV shots as cameras tend to be positioned high above the centre line) tend to make passes look more forward than they are while cameras from behind the dead-ball line have the opposite effect.
Flat and backward passes are legal. Tomkins would have found it difficult to propel the ball forward while moving at speed and had he managed to do so Richards would have needed to be stood in front of the passer or sprouted wings in order to collect it, IMO.'"
Strange how all the other passes shown from the same camera angle in that attacking set look backwards, it's only the Tomkins to Richards that is an optical illusion.
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