What a depressing thought. Things have been going so well recently, I knew it was too good to last.

Err, can you leave some players for us please?

So we're going to have a few years of mediocrity followed by escaping relegation through cheating, move from our ground, lose our chairman because he couldn't cheat anymore followed by more years of mediocrity with a team filled with average overseas players?

So are you just going to say Wigan are better than Leeds or are you going to actually come up with a Wigan Born XVII in order to have a meaningful debate.



Leeds Born XVII v Wigan Born XVII



You probably couldn’t come up with a better best of all time match in the country apart from Yorkshire Born XVII v Lancashire born XVII.

Very difficult (so many to chose from) but here goes.



Team 1 (all Wigan born and played for Wigan) all Internationals and six international captains

1 Kris Radlinski

2 Jack Hilton

3 Chris Hesketh

4 Martin Gleeson

5 Joe Lydon

6 Shaun Edwards

7 Andy Gregory

8 Ken Gee

9 Joe Egan

10 Brian McTigue

11 Bill Ashurst

12 Andy Farrell

13 Phil Clarke



Team 2 (all Wigan born) all Internationals and only two who didn't play for Wigan

1 Martin Ryan

2 Gordon Ratcliffe

3 Ernie Ashcroft

4 Keith Holden

5 John Stopford

6 Dave Bolton

7 Sean Long

8 John Barton

9 Martin Dermott

10 Andy Platt

11 Norman Cherrington

12 Mick Cassidy

13 Mike Gregory





Team 3 (all Wigan born) 11 Internationals and only one player who hasn't played for Wigan.

1 Shaun Briscoe

2 Liam Colbon

3 Jackie Cunliffe

4 Paul Johnson

5 Johnny Lawrenson

6 Stefan Ratchford

7 Tommy Bradshaw

8 Frank Collier

9 Terry Newton

10 Shaun Wane

11 Stephen Wilde

12 Sean O'Louglin

13 Roy Evans



And I still couldn't fit in the likes of Paul Deacon, Bill Sayer, Colin Clarke etc.

Would that be the slipstream left by the hundreds of fans doing the ‘Wigan Walk’on 73 minutes?

You mean they stay 13 minutes longer nowadays ?

Back on topic.

Your best Leeds born 13 MIGHT just about compete with the 3rd team I posted, but wouldn't get within 20 points of the 2nd or 40 of the 1st.



Check your history, Rugby League didn't begin in 2005.

Given that every team you posted is a mix of players from different era's it's just YOUR opinion and not FACT!!

We know Wigan USED to be good we hear it often enough from you pie fans who have nothing else to cling onto.

Every player is Wigan born, which is what this thread is about.



Now can you name three Leeds teams with Leeds born players to match those Wigan ones. It was difficult enough for you on first pages of the thread trying to name one decent one without having to give places to "ringers"



As I said 39 players, 37 Internationals, 7 International captains, and I've left Internationals out.



Even in your super Leeds team now how many Leeds born lads are there?

Who cares? We’re current Champions and you’re not… and the thread is called LEEDS Born, what makes you think anyone on here gives a flying fook about a Wigan born 13?