Guys - i don't think we will beat you. Looking down your side, there is class all the way down it. Class is permanent, form is temporary - albeit, yours has gone on for 21 rounds!

Your post has been proven ridiculous time and time again this season. We don't have the class you seem to think we have. We lost that, with the players who left, the players who were making others look better than they are. I just can not see when I look down that squad list what it is you are seeing.



Yes we have two or three class players, but they can not show it without the pivots of the team working properly, and that is where we are seriously lacking to other super league clubs. Hopefully Segeyaro will make up for a lot of that in a key role.

Sutcliffe - Good potential, but maybe not a full back

Handley - after a shaky WCC game, he appears to be a dangerous attacking player

Watkins - quality

Moon - qulaity

Hall - strong carrier from back field, not as quick as he used to be but still a good finisher

McGuire - shaky season, but still a thorn in our side

Lilley - directed you to your win over us earlier this year

Galloway - NRL veteran prop

Segeyaro - classy hooker, good enthusiasm who will bring forwards onto the ball and dangerous scooting from dummy half

Garbutt - capable of 1 or 2 good drives a game

Jjb - he has gone, i will give you this one

Ablett - underrated player

Singleton - good player who tackles with impact



Cuthbertson - offload king

Burrow - everyone knows about him

Delaney - solid grafter, everyone needs one

Keinhorst - unused bench player





You have a good side, who on their day can grab a win against anyone - especially an out of form (with ball in hand) Hull FC side

So we don't have class all the way down it. We have Watkins, Moon, and now Segeyaro who can be described as class. Then we have Garbutt, Cuthbertson, and to a degree Galloway, who can be extremely good on a given day. The rest no longer come close to the class you were talking of, but for a couple of potential.

So do you deem Hull to have more 'class' than Leeds then - who would you class in that category?

Not particularly no. I think they have better average players than Leeds. But Super League is poor this year, and the quantity of players who can be described as class is very low. But in terms of consistently good, you have a higher quantity of players than we do, this season certainly.

Just to weigh in on the debate. Hull's "quality" players, the ones that really make is tick and would get a gig at any club imo would be: Shaul, Ellis, Minichiello, Taylor, Houghton. But the reason we have done so well and the reason we have found ways to win so often is that there is very little filler in the team. There isn't really a weak link anywhere, they aren't all superstars but they are all good players who belong at top 4 level.

The game seems to be going like all the others, Glad we learned from those defeats..

We just seem to melt defensively - how many times have teams just walked though us this year? Promising from Segeyaro though, and Jimmy's taken his tracksuit off this week

Well at least you can't fault our ability to score first, think that's 9 games on the trot.

It just feels the same each week. come out hard for ten minutes and score.

Start losing the ball or putting in poor kicks.

concede repeat sets.

Defence fades and a few scores go in before half time.

Pay Achurch off and get shut now, another softc0ck attempted tackle gifting them a try under the sticks. Awful player.