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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Nobody expects sports stars to behave like Cistercian monks.
What they do expect though is that they are held to the same standard of behaviour as the fans in the stands would be by their employers.
If I smacked someone and ended up with my face (and my employer's details) plastered all over the local media as someone suspected of assault, I'm pretty sure my employer would be taking disciplinary action. Particularly if it wasn't the first time my conduct had reflected badly on them in public.'"
Whenever stuff like this happens I find comparisons to people with 'normal' jobs a bit out of place tbh.
If you got sacked for assaulting somebody and being in trouble with the police over it, I imagine it would hamper your chances of getting another job. Whereas Hardaker would just stroll into another team here in SL that was challenging for trophies, with no heat on the club for signing him whereas if we kept him we'd get heat for it.
For arguments sake were we left with little choice but to get rid of Hardaker.....then the club would be punished more than the individual for his actions.
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| One of the issues for the club that may come back to bite them is that they set high store on a person's character.
So if for reasons of expediency they decide to keep Hardaker & to select him to play, which they are entitled to do unless he's remanded in custody, what messages does that send out to the rest of the players?
It is really difficult to adopt & maintain the high moral ground in these cases.
Another reason why GH & McDermott may feel particularly let down.
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| Quote ThePrinter="ThePrinter"
For arguments sake were we left with little choice but to get rid of Hardaker.....then the club would be punished more than the individual for his actions.'"
That's a very good point.
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"One of the issues for the club that may come back to bite them is that they set high store on a person's character.
So if for reasons of expediency they decide to keep Hardaker & to select him to play, which they are entitled to do unless he's remanded in custody, what messages does that send out to the rest of the players?
It is really difficult to adopt & maintain the high moral ground in these cases.
Another reason why GH & McDermott may feel particularly let down.'"
At a guess, GH will have dealt with about 50 of these stupid incidents. It's part of his job, and IMO he probably has a right laugh about some of the dumb stuff his idiot players come up with.
In front of the TV cameras GH will treat this as a very serious incident and will be gravely concerned. When speaking to Zak he'll probably give him a similar serious speech. In truth though I doubt he is the slightest bit concerned or bothered about it. His main concern will be getting the clubs lawyers to get Zak the slightest tap on the wrist he can get.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Nobody expects sports stars to behave like Cistercian monks.
What they do expect though is that they are held to the same standard of behaviour as the fans in the stands would be by their employers.
If I smacked someone and ended up with my face (and my employer's details) plastered all over the local media as someone suspected of assault, I'm pretty sure my employer would be taking disciplinary action. Particularly if it wasn't the first time my conduct had reflected badly on them in public.'"
I suspect you forget to mention the allegedly and innocent until proved guilty out of your posting.
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| Both players released without charge by the police, the club to continue its own internal disciplinary whitewash... I mean "investigation"
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Both players released without charge by the police, the club to continue its own internal disciplinary whitewash... I mean "investigation"'"
They've been released without charge *and* the police investigation has been concluded. It's not whitewash if there's nothing there to paint. Move on.
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| Good news that the police have dealt with this speedily.
The club must investigate it properly, following their own internal disciplinary procedures.
This I expect them to do.
So it should not be a whitewash nor need they announce their findings to the world at large.
Hopefully, we can all move on from this & Hardaker will be available for selection this week, if his head is in the right place.
Despite Wigan's apparent poor form we need to have our best 17 available.
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| Good news.
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"
Hopefully, we can all move on from this & Hardaker will be available for selection this week'"
Till his next offence
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| Excellent news but you do have to wonder how many more lessons he's going to need.
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| Quote SouthStander.com="SouthStander.com"Excellent news but you do have to wonder how many more lessons he's going to need.'"
That is the concern.
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