I agree, it's getting to the point where we actually need to win to prevent us from slipping further and further down the table. Being valiant in defeat won't get us in the play offs.

I think we need to win but its unlikely will we against a hudds team in red hot form. I think a good performance and no injuries will put us on track with the next four games defo games we should and need to win.



If we take 8 from the next 10 points and get the likes of Roby, wello, Meli match fit and lomax back playing it should give us massive confidence boost.

We maybe in eighth. But only five points off hull. There is nothing ideal about this year but the win at Leeds bought us some breathing space two wins and we look alot better

We aren't in 8th any longer. HKR beat Bradford so we are now back in 9th.

A temporal semantic. We are still 5 points of 4th.

Not at all. If we just give good performances and don't win matches, the number of points between fourth and us will simply grow!



I can't believe that anyone at this stage in the season thinks what is important are good performances! I don't care how we do it, we can play like garbage, but what we need now are wins, and lots of them. Otherwise we will continue to be pushed down the table and will find ourselves outside the top 8 by season end.

9th in June, stop trying to spin it.



How long does Brown get exactly? Does he get the entire season regardless of performances (Which have been diabolical). This squad is pretty much the same one that finished 3rd under Rush last season, and most considered him to have done no more than a solid job.



You will no doubt quote the injuries, but our worst performances this season have come when we've had decent sides playing. Huddersfield at home first game of the season springs to mind, we're miles off where we should be even if everyone was playing.



If we miss out on the play offs this season, does Brown keep his job?

Without a shadow of a doubt Brown keeps his job. Anyone with half a brain knew this was a tough job fue to previous coaches mistakes and shocking recruitment and retention.



He took over a club with no halves and no props! Plus we've had absolute shocking injuries.



If Brown is give time and support by McManus, I've no doubt he will bring back the good days but I still stand by what I said two seasons ago, Royce will set us back 3 years and that IMO is what it will take.

Well it was temporal semantics?



The rest of the post is a different discussion. But if you want to talk performances v results. Then I'll take an improved performance. A rubbish win just suggests the following week another loss is on the way. An improvement from our team would give me more confidence of a finish at 5 or 6.

It's a better team than we had in 2012, actually.



Brown will keep his job simply because McManus has staked his reputation on him. This is what comes with not interviewing for the coaching job.



In addition to that of course is the fact that Brown has a three year deal so the club will not be able to afford to pay him off until his third year. We could end up bottom of the table this year and next and Brown would still be in a job.

Can't recall us having to play kids like Percival, swift, Greenwood, Thompson, Walker, charnock, Hande, Tilley most weeks and don't recall having a secondrow at scrumhalf either.



I also don't recall having to being two players in on loan either as we was rock bottom.



If your beloved Royce had signed a proper halfback, proper prop we wouldn't be in the mess. Its been left to Brown to deal with the halfback problem, perry, Laffranchi, TP and non of this was created by him.

I'm not spinning anything. Just stating how it is, or now how it was. By tomorrow it could change again. As for Brown. For me he has until 10 games into next year.



As for diabolical performances. It's just not the case. Pre easter we were improving and being a lot more exciting than last year. Saddenediis the 24 hour tabloid news for saints. Wanting impossible solutions yesterday. Of what brown has had control over.

Walmsley good

Turner good

Manu good

Percival promoted good

Lomax from 7 to fb good.

Walker Thompson good.

Gaskell out wrong

Dropping laffranchi from front row good

Keeping wellens in the starting 13 at any cost I wouldn't.

Bringing a 6 in as soon as he could



In the end I'm liking the way he is pushing us. I'm still expecting a better finish. But unlike yourself I'm not demanding a grand final win in June 2013.