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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"I firmly believe our entire game plan is to have big second rowers to do exactly that - and that's why Greenwood started like a house on fire, flanagan by contrast just doesn't offer anything, Thompson as much as he has been great doesn't offer the line running to bust the tackles and LMS keeps gettin sucked into the middle, leaving us constantly short out wide.
Our tactics haven't changed since we lost Vea, Greenwood and Percival out wide, and it really needs to. Problem is were 3 months away from them coming back...
The positives are there if you want to see them, but I've been waiting for a response for 4 weeks and not got one. This will either be the bottom of the trough, or there's a lot more pain to come ...'"
Still missing my point tho
How did greenwood and Vea make their breaks ?
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"I would like to see the Stats for the amount of offloads from Leeds, we were rubbish in wrapping up the ball in the tackle.
Don,t know what KC was thinking about, everyone could see we were losing composure in attack, we needed Walsh on after 15 mins to stop us freeloading ball to the Leeds centres.'"
Cunningham is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT not risking Walsh early. Losing the game means nothing. Losing Walsh because of nothing more than vanity is lunacy. The Grand Final isn't decided tonight. Leeds could win by a hundred and it would count for naught come kick-off at Old Trafford.
Quote Judder ManAnother poor game from Jones he,s too much of a liabilty in attack and defence, hopefully Percy tales over next week.'"
Give Jones a break. Centre is without doubt the hardest position to play defensively. It's even harder when you aren't playing consistently. For his age Jones is a fantastic talent.
Quote Judder ManMakinson is slower than Wellens running the ball back, he runs then slows down looking for a gap then gets smothered, he,s not a full back.'"
Really? Because I thought he was a winger.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Which Leeds player tops the try-scorers list?
How many tries did Makinson get last season?
Who won the title last season?'"
No leeds player tops the try scoring list.Makinson scored a lot of tries LAST season.Saints were worthy winners of the title LAST season. Wonderful
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| Quote tony1983="tony1983"Which man? '"
Peacock.
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| Quote lionarmour87="lionarmour87"No leeds player tops the try scoring list.Makinson scored a lot of tries LAST season.Saints were worthy winners of the title LAST season. Wonderful'"
Exactly.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"Still missing my point tho
How did greenwood and Vea make their breaks ?'"
There aren't many if any who individually can break defences down these days, but we did have a team who could create enough confusion. It's easy to say xyz can't make something out of nothing, id be more concerned if we couldn't make the passes to break a team - but we need a plan b at the moment ,,,
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| Quote St pete="St pete"Swift is another of the scape goats on here along with lance and Wilkin but the are others just as bad who get a easy ride on here.
Tommy doesn't make the mistakes swift does but tommy is very poor with the ball. Very rare he beats a man. He's a top class finisher and defender but he's no better than Wello on his kick returns.
Turner is possibly the worst defensive centre in super league. He's worse than Sarginson but gets a easy ride.
Mose (need I say more)
Yet when Swifty has bad game he gets jumped on.'"
Fair enough, I maybe just don't like Swift as he's so ugly and that annoys me as well. He's had a fair few bad games this season.
I've never been a fan of Turner, never rated him. He seems a couple of stone overweight. When he went the length of Langtree Park against us, he could shift. Now he can't and I agree entirely on his defending.
Mose is useless for a man of his size, but it's up to KC to get him firing and he's failing massively. An fired up Mose is a unique asset in SL, there is no one else like him. We're not getting enough out of him, but the use of him is bizarre at times. Tonight in his first spell Mose ten minutes chasing after Leeds players as they ran diagonally away from him. He had one 'run' where the ball was thrown to his feet and he had to trap it and pick it up and he was taken off. I understand he's lazy at times, but when you drag him off so quickly what is he supposed to do? He was better in his second spell but again was dragged off. If KC isn't happy with his effort, he shouldn't pick him.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"I firmly believe our entire game plan is to have big second rowers to do exactly that - and that's why Greenwood started like a house on fire, flanagan by contrast just doesn't offer anything, Thompson as much as he has been great doesn't offer the line running to bust the tackles and LMS keeps gettin sucked into the middle, leaving us constantly short out wide.
Our tactics haven't changed since we lost Vea, Greenwood and Percival out wide, and it really needs to. Problem is were 3 months away from them coming back...
The positives are there if you want to see them, but I've been waiting for a response for 4 weeks and not got one. This will either be the bottom of the trough, or there's a lot more pain to come ...'"
"Bottom of the trough"? Good god, man! We're currently lying second whilst smack in the middle of one of the worst injury runs we've experienced in a long time. If that's rock bottom I'll take it every day of the week.
Oh ye of little, little faith. 
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Peacock.'"
So Leeds' whole reason for winning anything is built around a 37 year old prop forward? I think you need some kip, maybe tomorrow you will revisit this forum and wince.
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| Those currently criticising Turner's defence - precisely what do you think about Warrington's or Wigan's outside defence last night?
Seriously, was I watching a different game? Sarginson? The entire Warrington back division?
In case you haven't realised, these are two out of three of our major rivals!

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| Quote tony1983="tony1983"So Leeds' whole reason for winning anything is built around a 37 year old prop forward? I think you need some kip, maybe tomorrow you will revisit this forum and wince.'"
Enjoy your win. Seriously. 
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| Saints will be fine now Walsh is back, add in at least one of Greenwood or Vea into the back row to get Gash Flanagan out of the side and Saints will be at least up there challenging for trophies. The back line is terrible but the rest of the side looks very strong.
On another note I thought Savelio was superb and surely can't be dropped? Greg Richards however, continues to look like a pudding.
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