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| Quote mat="mat"It was mentioned at forum last week and I think it was mentioned in T&A report of the forum too. What ?I've never seen is the justification for withholding the money. Wakefield and crusaders didnt get money withheld for entering Administration. If its a new measure thats been introduced since there administrations to deter clubs from going down that route then fair enough, But if thats the case then Salford face having the same penalty imposed if they go into admin. If the money witheld was used to pay the creditors then I could at least see some logic it behind it, But just handing it out to the other clubs in the competition makes it look like a bribe and penalises the new owners who arent at fault for the previous owners mismanagement.
I suppose part of Salfords problem is that they dont have any assets to sell/get a loan against. Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the initial RFL loan to us and the subsequent sale of the lease to them at least it was an asset that we had available and could use to bring in funds. The actual cost to the RFL of helping us was very little in monetary terms. They'll get the money back from buying the lease several times over in rent (although I suspect a deal will be done where we buy lease back in a couple of years once RFL are satisfied as to the new owners intentions) and the monies advanced for wages were the sky monies we were entitled to anyway as we'd fulfilled our side of the sky contract by playing our fixtures.'"
Thats what I thought, cheers Mat. This is why I'd like a full press release from thre rfl explaining everything that happened in transparent detail, because the drift of rl collective memory now seem to run along the lines of the rfl gave us a blank cheque out of their own pockets and an unending credit line, so therefore with rlfan logic "why are the rfl not doing the same for Salford....etc etc" thats not my memory of the situation, we had a lot of rfl intervention (good and bad), but like you say the rfl actually ended up some cash down but asset up so will probably end up about level or in profit in the medium to long term.
The same set of circumstance does not apply, but I do hope the RFL and other clubs do everything they can do in this situation to help Salford. And like you say, helping Salford would seem a better use for the windfall of not paying us £500k, or whatever it is, rather than handing it out as a sweetner to the other clubs.
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| Quote WakeyManDan8="WakeyManDan8"The RFL should provide the exact same help to Salford that they gave to Bradford. Should being the important word there. Only time will tell. Sad situation.'"
The RFL should also ban Wakefield fans from having an opinion and voicing it. Threaten the team with points deductions unless their message boards are shut down. That will do.
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| Quote mystic eddie="mystic eddie"The RFL should also ban Wakefield fans from having an opinion and voicing it. Threaten the team with points deductions unless their message boards are shut down. That will do.'"
Other clubs seem to think they handed us money for no reason. I think the RFL paid wages purely because it was midseason and they didnt want to disrupt the rest of SL during last years campaign. The RFL did that when it looked like we'd be liquidated. Mr Khan came in very late to buy us & is now paying the RFL back plus some by not getting any sky money for next season.
For Salford to even be compared to the bulls and what happened with they would need to have someone buy them out in the last few days before liquidation after god knows how long in administration and that someone would then have to pump money into a loss making business and be hundreds of thousands down in their first year as new owners whilst central funds are withheld..
I hope it doesnt get that far with Salford and that someone comes in before the RFL would have to look at getting involved. Who would want to be in the same position we were in September?
We did have help from fans and a lot of clubs.. what concerns me is Salford dont have nowhere near the fanbase Bradford have..
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| Quote Duckman="Duckman"Thats what I thought, cheers Mat. This is why I'd like a full press release from thre rfl explaining everything that happened in transparent detail, because the drift of rl collective memory now seem to run along the lines of the rfl gave us a blank cheque out of their own pockets and an unending credit line, so therefore with rlfan logic "why are the rfl not doing the same for Salford....etc etc" thats not my memory of the situation, we had a lot of rfl intervention (good and bad), but like you say the rfl actually ended up some cash down but asset up so will probably end up about level or in profit in the medium to long term.
The same set of circumstance does not apply, but I do hope the RFL and other clubs do everything they can do in this situation to help Salford. And like you say, helping Salford would seem a better use for the windfall of not paying us £500k, or whatever it is, rather than handing it out as a sweetner to the other clubs.'"
I agree that the sky money would be better off used this way providing Salford can show it wouldnt be swallowed up and they would be back in the same position in 12 months.
With the current climate i feel this may happen to more clubs over the coming years.
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| Quote Leaf="Leaf"Crusaders, Wakefield, ourselves and Salford. And this is happening [iwith[/i some kind of licensing agreement. Something needs to change for RL to become self-sustainable and perhaps a model sport that is reliant on the support of it's fanbase rather than TV money and sugar daddies... it's not like the sport has that much to lose. Plus a lot of England's best players could go to the NRL for the real money and that'll probably help the international team!
It's a stark choice between having to have this happen again to other clubs or ensuring that no club runs at a loss and having to bite the bullet and have semi-pro players playing at the top level.'"
There is no self sustainable model without TV. In any major sport.
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| Quote AdeleMC="AdeleMC"Other clubs seem to think they handed us money for no reason. I think the RFL paid wages purely because it was midseason and they didnt want to disrupt the rest of SL during last years campaign. The RFL did that when it looked like we'd be liquidated. Mr Khan came in very late to buy us & is now paying the RFL back plus some by not getting any sky money for next season.
For Salford to even be compared to the bulls and what happened with they would need to have someone buy them out in the last few days before liquidation after god knows how long in administration and that someone would then have to pump money into a loss making business and be hundreds of thousands down in their first year as new owners whilst central funds are withheld..
I hope it doesnt get that far with Salford and that someone comes in before the RFL would have to look at getting involved. Who would want to be in the same position we were in September?
We did have help from fans and a lot of clubs.. what concerns me is Salford dont have nowhere near the fanbase Bradford have..'"
The RFL didnt pay the wages by giving us any extra money though. They allowed us to draw our remaining sky payments for 2012 early. If we hadnt run into difficulties we'd have received that money from the RFL anyway as long as we fulfilled our fixture. It was only the timing of the payments that changed. we basically got the second half of the years monthly sky payments (plus a small amount from the 2013 payments) as two lump sums to fund the two wage bills that came up whilst we were in admin as I understand it. Once the takeover was complete OK started funding the wage bill.
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| Quote mat="mat"The RFL didnt pay the wages by giving us any extra money though. They allowed us to draw our remaining sky payments for 2012 early. If we hadnt run into difficulties we'd have received that money from the RFL anyway as long as we fulfilled our fixture. It was only the timing of the payments that changed. we basically got the second half of the years monthly sky payments (plus a small amount from the 2013 payments) as two lump sums to fund the two wage bills that came up whilst we were in admin as I understand it. Once the takeover was complete OK started funding the wage bill.'"
Yeah i understand that, sorry i was vague. Im just thinking if Sky money was paid to us in advance purely to see through fixtures... then if Salford go into administration before the start of the season it would be a totally different scenario.. Like with Wakefield & Crusaders. I hope the RFL can help Salford in some way and that it doesnt get to that but what concerns me is other fans presuming the money was just `given` on a plate when that wasnt the case. Whats to say Salfords new owners ( if they get some ) would be prepared to give up sky money over 2 seasons when they're losing money anyway? Very unlikely. Im thanking our lucky stars we even got a new owner at the moment.
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"There is no self sustainable model without TV. In any major sport.'" Rubbish. Rugby League would be in bountiful good health were it not for the incompetent RFL.
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| I think the RFL have made it more difficult for Salford to attract a buyer (if indeed, it comes to that) by their treatment of the new regime at Odsal. Any prospective new owner will now have to factor in the fact that they will be victimised by the governing body and it well may be that final straw which puts then off.
From a Reds point of view, and indeed a rugby one, let's hope that it works out OK and Salford pull through.
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"I think the RFL have made it more difficult for Salford to attract a buyer (if indeed, it comes to that) by their treatment of the new regime at Odsal. Any prospective new owner will now have to factor in the fact that they will be victimised by the governing body and it well may be that final straw which puts then off.
From a Reds point of view, and indeed a rugby one, let's hope that it works out OK and Salford pull through.'"
Ring ring ring.
"Good morning, the RFL."
"Hi there, I would like to buy Salford."
"Oh great, thank you for saving the club. Oh you do know however, that although we support your endeavor 100% and are grateful to you for not letting the club go to the wall, that we will not let you have all the money you need this year. Oh, and we will not guarantee you a SL place to allow any long term investment to take place. Oh, and actually, just to make it that little bit easier, we will take the money we were going to give you and give it to your rivals. That's ok isn't it? As you can see, we are behind you 100%.
Hello, hello, hello...."
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"victimised by the governing body '"
Are you secretly from Wigan?
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| Quote tigertot="tigertot"Are you secretly from Wigan?'"
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