I think they are absolutely soft. They have been for years at this club, the majority of players that are brought in are soft and the youngsters are soft. I mean, who the hell lets somebody slap then and just toddle back in the line like Whitehead did when Hock slapped him? He's always having a go at Whitehead, he needs to stand up and give him one back.

Indiividually they're not soft and it would be insulting to say they are. But we do have a physically small squad completely lacking in the sort of physique and mongrel we used to posses in abundanc. And it makes a massive difference.



The smallest team I've seen in the SL era was Cas in the year they were relegated (2004?). When we played them they tackled their socks off but couldnt stop us from offloading. I think we won about 60-0

I saw that i would have thought the team would have got involved, see him in wigan all the time struts about like he owns the place.



We need abit of unity any other team would have run in to defend each other

Totally soft. We let other teams get away with everything. I am not condoning foul play, but it would be nice if for once we stood up to the opposition's "bullies" and gave them one back.



But then symptomatic of the whole club really with lots from board down to fans happy to accept humiliating defeats as long as they tried a bit. The players obviously feel the same, not worth getting stuck in, as it doesn't really matter.

No player should take anything illegal like that from another. Does anyone think there was a player on the Manly side who Rob Burrow would not have belted back? Hardly ever does any player take a one on one beating from another player. Everyone rushes in after a couple of seconds. Psychologically you should never take a back ward step. Jamie Peacock is the most unlikely scrapper you would come across, but especially when he is up aginast Aussies he doesn't allow anything, because he knows as captain or pack leader he has to set that example.

They are.



Wish we had a Bailey type in our pack.



Elima will help, but he can't do it on his own.

When was the last time we saw a scrap (on the field) at Odsal? When we were successful it would happen every five games or so.



Maybe an indicator of the type of player we now have?

They are soft. I'm an old man with one lung and I'd be confident of running over Nick Scruton or Bryn Hargreaves.

Fine. If the Bulls players are not soft then that just leaves option 2. They're lazy

I wouldn't call any RL player soft, but your lads do seem to be playing with a lack of fire in their bellies; having watched Potter's post-match interview, I can only suggest that if he speaks to the players at half-time the way he speaks to journo's, they'd be virtually catatonic from boredom - he is the opposite of a motivational speaker!



Anywho, looking forward to your visit on Saturday and hopefully, more of the same; I worry that we might catch you on the bounce-back from a pretty emphatic defeat but at this stage, I'm predicting a Wakey side fresh from a week off to nick the win in a close game.

Depends what you mean by soft. There's no doubting the individual bravery of the players in terms of putting their bodies on the line for a loose ball or a high bomb however collectively there's obviously a problem somewhere. It does seem that when we go more than a few scores behind the side seems to give up. They stop playing as a team and seem resigned to losing, often before the game's a foregone conclusion. There's little belief once you scratch the surface, sure we put in the occasional gritty performance (like at Cas) but it's sandwiched between two half hearted performances.

We used to get tagged as a bit of a soft touch pre Maguire and Wane but with pretty much the same group of players were now known as one of the most aggressive and toughest teams around.



It's up to the coach at the end of the day to instilled that fighting spirit in them. The players need to know that the rest of the 17 have their back should it get niggly. They instilled that in to this Wigan side and turned some players entire reputations around. A prime example was Andy Coley who under Noble looked timid at times and played at half pace. When Maguire came in his whole body language changed and he became a big, aggressive leader who would look after his teamates and back down from nobody.



Potter possibly didn't like the question because it's something he knows he should be fixing but is struggling to do so!