I didn't go today so couldn't comment on the red card. But...







I just don't see how this is the case. Let's be honest, Toovey has been coaching the team for the majority of the season, so [iwhy [/iare we so clueless? I know we've had a lot of changes in personnel, but it has to be more than that...

Is it because both the majority of the team isn't very good (with one or two exceptions) and the coaching just isn't very good either?

I honestly just think this season has taken its toll on them all. They're done both physically and mentally, and I don't blame them for it one bit. You can see them giving their all, players all over the pitch clearly playing with injuries. Caro could barely walk out on the wing but played on through it.



It's also yet another season where we're into the mid-fourties in terms of squad numbers. You just can't go through that many different players and expect any level of cohesion to remain.

1. Shaun Robinson throwing the ball in Tongas face for no reason. Same old grubby tactics. Should have been a penalty. No, same old pathetic talking to both players.



2. Shaun Robinsons fake dive. Its cheating and he should have been binned. One of the reasons i watch RL is because that rubbish doesn't belong in our sport.



3. Ball goes dead from Swinton, we get a 20m tap and Butt boots it out of the stadium. Its a professional foul. What good is calling time off for us?



Along with the calls that go against you such as Bentley being held down after making a break and ref gives a knock-on along with Swinton dropping it in first half and ref somehow giving possession to them. Those calls can go for you or against you though.



We're utter cr@p and it doesn't matter whether we won or lost today so im not taking my frustrations of us being cr@p out on the ref.You may think Campbell's was a red but i personally didn't, i also feel they have been worse spear tackles (Toulouse at home) that have had less punishment. My frustrations as I've said is ive seen our players knocked unconscious with shoulder charges to the head, launched into barriers and nothing has been done.



My problem isnt when knock-ons go for us etc but when actions like the 3 mentioned above aren't officiated, they just make it an awful match.

Its the end of the season for me had enough. The RFL will be clapping their hand when we go down.

It was poor sportsmanship from Swinton I'll agree, but the club should have known what to expect. I wouldn't really call any of those decisions that the ref got wrong, you don't really see penalties conceded for poor sportsmanship.

The Robinson dive was stupid but why are we even giving him the chance to do it? I think the frustration just got to our guys today in the end. Probably a culmination of a few things I suppose.

We have 4 general groupings in our squad.



The first group are the players we were left with. These are the players that every other team in the championship didn't want when they could have been picked up on a free in December. They all have weaknesses which are evident to coaches, either fitness, skills or mentality.



The next are our u19's. Some great potential here but really short of experience and a few are still developing physically as well.



Then we have a few individuals we have signed during the year who bring something to the team (when not injured or banned....)



The last group are our loan players, a real mixed bag of talent & experience who can't develop consistency in our squad due to the nature of the loan system.



How on earth can any coach bring that together?

I think I'm at the stage where it seems impossible to fix. In times past I used to look at performances and improvements were obvious. The usual "we need to get a 7" or "we need to tighten up the edge defence". Now tackling, catching and passing seem like aspirations beyond the possible.



Now there isn't really a strong area which I can call adequate for us to build around. Any long term plans based around players like Bentley and home grown talent is a fallacy because no matter how many good home grown talents we can deliver I don't see it being possible to keep them long enough to impact the club.



Whilst top teams aren't required to develop talent, we become a feeder club and without funds to develop the squad it's all I can see us being.



We, the fans have been milked for all we're worth (money) this season and the club will continue to be milked too for our academy and the stadium as soon as it becomes profitable.



I see no light or redemptions, the thought of a restructure saving the club turns my stomach as we shouldn't receive special treatment, which to this point those who have seen the RFL's actions towards the bulls know we haven't been given yet.

You got told wrong.

Damn. Then he had NO excuse.

Agreed. I just want us to start in L1 next year, like we should have done this year and try and rebuild.

I think if we are all honest with ourselves this is exactly what we expected to happen when the RFL dithere just long enough to make sure we had no squad.



Yes the ref was bewildering at times and swinton played the best supporting actor role with great aplomb, but we're shot to pieces, Bentley and Sironen had good games but the number of us limping and hobbling is frightening.



Keyes playing when he shouldn't, it's debatable that Peltz should have played. So with him gone and Campbell being dealt with harshly (I'd have said 10 was sufficient), it's no wondered they ran out of steam. I am just stunned they were still giving 110% at the end. Some of 2015/16's show ponies would have sacked it off after 60 mins and gone hiding on the wing...