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| Interesting insight there Paul
And of course if Warrington are paying transfer fees that are being financed by a rich benefactor then that money is going to the receiving clubs so this is an injection of finance into rugby league which is good for the game.
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| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"
The other thing Warrington have done is to award long term contracts to ageing players that has on occasion swung things in our favour in securing players - Hodgson and Morley spring to mind.
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But surely that just ties up a salary cap for a long time and not all players are worth that gamble?
Anyway what I can't understand is the logic behind the salary cap anymore. If ther are so many clubs with rich backers supposedly flouting the rules why is it not scrapped? How would the clubs with no backer be any worse off and how would those supposedly flouting the rules be better off?
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| Quote rugbyreddog="rugbyreddog"But surely that just ties up a salary cap for a long time and not all players are worth that gamble?
Anyway what I can't understand is the logic behind the salary cap anymore. If ther are so many clubs with rich backers supposedly flouting the rules why is it not scrapped? How would the clubs with no backer be any worse off and how would those supposedly flouting the rules be better off?'"
It would make things worse though. At least at the moment, clubs have to at least try and pretend they are keeping under the cap and therefore can't have an international in every position. With no cap, rich clubs could drive up wages, buy who they like and pay stupid money, the others would be left far behind.
It would in effect create a two tier league I think.
The idea someone on here had a while ago, about allocating points to a player and having a points cap rather than a salary cap is brilliant. I don't know why it is not used. I am sure the rich clubs would vote for it...
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| Quote debaser="debaser"
The idea someone on here had a while ago, about allocating points to a player and having a points cap rather than a salary cap is brilliant. I don't know why it is not used. I am sure the rich clubs would vote for it...'"
Even a system like that could be 'fiddled' with. A top notch player could be 'encouraged' to ... let's say "take it easy" for a season, his rating would then drop, allowing the club to bring in another highly rated player - the reigns are then taken off the initial player, cheated the system.
Also, what would you base the points system on? Subjective opinion as to how "good" someone is? Try/Points scoring record? metres gained? Tackles made? etc etc.
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| Quote debaser="debaser"It would make things worse though. At least at the moment, clubs have to at least try and pretend they are keeping under the cap and therefore can't have an international in every position. With no cap, rich clubs could drive up wages, buy who they like and pay stupid money, the others would be left far behind.
It would in effect create a two tier league I think.
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And the difference to what we have now is what? It's not that there is an uneven playing field that annoys people so much as the powers that be denying it.
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| The way I would simplify the cap is to have no limit on overall spend but say each club can only have 20 players earning above X salary, and only 6 players earning above Y salary.
You then set X as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a first team regular.
Set Y as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a top class international player.
The effect of this one would be that the richest clubs could pay whatever they wanted for their very elite players, but you couldn't get a club hoarding all the top talent, because once their top 6 players had been accounted for, they were then facing a salary limit of Y for the any other player on their books. So the guys who were say the 7th and 8th best players at a top club would then be likely to move to another club who had space on its quota of 6 players above Y salary.
It wouldn't be a perfect system by any means but it would keep the top players away from union and it would distribute talent around the league, after a few years under that system you would hope that each club had at least 6 big gun players.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"The way I would simplify the cap is to have no limit on overall spend but say each club can only have 20 players earning above X salary, and only 6 players earning above Y salary.
You then set X as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a first team regular.
Set Y as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a top class international player.
he effect of this one would be that the richest clubs could pay whatever they wanted for their very elite players, but you couldn't get a club hoarding all the top talent, because once their top 6 players had been accounted for, they were then facing a salary limit of Y for the any other player on their books. So the guys who were say the 7th and 8th best players at a top club would then be likely to move to another club who had space on its quota of 6 players above Y salary.
It wouldn't be a perfect system by any means but it would keep the top players away from union and it would distribute talent around the league, after a few years under that system you would hope that each club had at least 6 big gun players.'"
Its a good idea in theory but entirely misses the point of how the Salary Cap is currently being manipulated.
See Adey's posts.
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| Quote Paul Thexton="Paul Thexton"
Also, what would you base the points system on? Subjective opinion as to how "good" someone is? Try/Points scoring record? metres gained? Tackles made? etc etc.'"
Phil Clarke could be in charge of making the ratings.
Sam Tomkins would put Wigan over the points cap on his own.
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| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"
Thanks to Adeybull for the link to the new salary cap regulations. Lots of concessions that Warrington will qualify for to up our salary cap, I'd even imagine we'd persaude the RFL that either Evans or Williams qualify for the Player Talent Pool one that will remove their salary completely from the calculation. Interesting that there is no "marquee player" exclusion that Leneghan from Wigan was going on about - looks like he spoke to soon in that instance.'"
I don't know much about the player talent pool but hopefully Bateman will qualify for that in our team. Will give us a bit more for other players.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"The way I would simplify the cap is to have no limit on overall spend but say each club can only have 20 players earning above X salary, and only 6 players earning above Y salary.
You then set X as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a first team regular.
Set Y as being what would be a reasonable benchmark for a top class international player.
The effect of this one would be that the richest clubs could pay whatever they wanted for their very elite players, but you couldn't get a club hoarding all the top talent, because once their top 6 players had been accounted for, they were then facing a salary limit of Y for the any other player on their books. So the guys who were say the 7th and 8th best players at a top club would then be likely to move to another club who had space on its quota of 6 players above Y salary.
It wouldn't be a perfect system by any means but it would keep the top players away from union and it would distribute talent around the league, after a few years under that system you would hope that each club had at least 6 big gun players.'"
The idea is fine - as far as it goes, but it only covers [icontract[/i money from the club and not 'extras' , like image rights, from the 'perfectly legal' non club -connected, third-party sources. The RFL have the power to look through a club's books, but obviously not the book's of an owner/sponsor or business partner of owner/sponsor, who would find it very easy to 'lose' large amounts when paid through various company accounts and not even necessarily paid in this country. Though clearly I wouldn't accuse anyone of indulging in such a scheme, as I'm sure all clubs are above reproach on this, but it could be done quite easily.
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| Quote bobsmyuncle="bobsmyuncle"Its a good idea in theory but entirely misses the point of how the Salary Cap is currently being manipulated.
See Adey's posts.'"
You and others may think that it is being manipulated, but as Sally says, how do you know? It's really all pure speculation. Rival fans talk about Warrington being full of internationals but Saturday's team included Chris Riley, Mickey Higham, Paul Wood, Matty Blythe, Mike Cooper, Stefan Ratchford, Chris Hill and Tyrone McCarthy, none of whom are current internationals.
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