Yes thats why Saints / Leeds play that way but that style of play will never have worked in the world cup due to the grapple tackle, the aussies only had 'our' ref once and look what that threw up.



Yep lack of depth is a major probs which relates to other issues we have in our game, but it was still the style of play we struggled with. As has been mentioned our half backs were clueless as they are used to playing with more momentum. I think this years tournament will close.

you could keep trying too win a test series by scooting

. again

Well thats pretty much my point, I can't understand why we have different rulings and interpretations. They need to bang their heads together and sort it out!!

I still believe its a mental thing, we don't have the belief that we can beat them. We look upon them as super-humans. The New Zealanders don't look upon them like that. New Zealand beat them more often than us, and we seem to have a 50/50 record against the kiwis. That tells me its all in the head.

so do i dougy....our players need a sports shrink more than anything

So do I, but I'd take it further to the entire country. There's so much negativity, self-deprecation and lack of confidence. People think that because we haven't won a series for 30 odd years, we won't win the next one. Shouldn't everyone believe the law of averages. Our turn next.

Yeah, i always thought this of our football clubs in Europe, for years we didn't believe we could compete with these big names like Real Madrid, Barcelona and AC Milan, but as soon as an awful Liverpool side won in 2005, it give the rest belief, and since we've had 4 of the last 6 finalists.



I'm hoping this New Zealand victory will help us believe.

OMG, are you honestly that stupid. Did you watch the World Cup? In fact, have you watched any game England/GB have played in over the last 30 years?



You're not close, in fact you are getting worse. The English game is dying!

You cant win at home.



You cant win away.



You cant win with an Australian ref.



You cant win with an English ref.





Just waht type of advantage do you want to be in the ideal position to win a game???









You are crap, thats the bottom like.



I mean, Paul Wellens, Lee Smith an JJB.....please, your test players wouldnt make park footy sides over here.

If that was the case we might have been in with a shout for the world cup, but sadly the law of averages doesn't apply, and indeed never will apply when we have a crap coach and some crap players.

mentaly ill thingie

all thats in the head .is too scoot . SL scoot league

Mental issues are another problem, Andrew Jones was amazed at the attitude of his fellow Warrington players when the dressing room decided that they would put on a good show against one of the top teams. He had to to tell they were going to win, not put in a decent show.