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| Quote barton baird="barton baird"We are all expert refs AND coaches.
I remember a quote from Tommy Docherty many years ago when he managed Manchester United.
"There are 60,000 managers here every home game,and only one doesn`t know what he is doing."'"
tell you what mate,try being a Greenkeeper ! if a golf club has 500 members then you have 501 Greenkeepers ,500 of whom,know better than you - must be more demoralising than being a referee or lino ?
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| Hell no make all players wear the shock collars from total recall and have a microwave beam running across the pitch where the 10m line is. that should make offsides rapidly a thing of the past
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| Yes I am all for giving it a trial run,what harm can it do and it may improve performances.
Tbf to the refs they are generally OK but the assistants on the touch line leave a lot to be desired especially where forward passes are concerned.
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| Quote cjhatesunion="cjhatesunion"Yes I am all for giving it a trial run,what harm can it do and it may improve performances.
Tbf to the refs they are generally OK but the assistants on the touch line leave a lot to be desired especially where forward passes are concerned.'"
not trying to speak or everyone so apologies in advance but it seems that most fans realise the officials can't get every forward pass decision correct - it's just the blatantly obvious ones clearly visible from the terraces that are missed that upsets so many people.How is it possible to get it SO wrong ?
the Video Ref should intervene in such blatant cases - the technology is available...
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| Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty"No. As a referee, I see absolutely no reason for it at all. We already have 3 officials at matches (more if you count in-goal and the 4th official). They're all wired up. There is nothing that an extra ref on the field would add.
For example - if we think Offside isn't being policed properly, then one touchie can remain level with the defensive line, and call a penalty to the ref if they're offside.
If we think the PTB isn't being refereed correctly, then the ref isn't doing his job.
Forward passes should be picked up by touchies, and so should incidents in play on the ref's blind side.'"
In-Goals and Reserve refs aren't wired up.
Interesting debate though - don't think it will be long before the Aussies want it for internationals so we might as well try it just in case
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| Look i've never ever understood the way they ref superleague games. It seems far to easy to fix.
You have the linesmen take the defensive line back the 10 meters, and THEY call the penalties for offside exactly the same as football. You have the referee take up a position at a diagonal behind the play of the ball to watch exactly what goes on. It's not rocket science. The ref knows what goes on, and doesn't have to watch the defensive line aswell as the play of the ball.
Also someone give the linesmen a god damn backbone to make decisions. Stop throwing 16 year olds on the line that have never played a competative game of rugby before. Make them call forward passes too for a change.
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| I've voted yes, but i'm not sure it's possible. As Spongolium say's a lot of the touch judges are young lads, but surely this indicates that the resources aren't available to man each match with experienced officials.
I think that with ref's being pro's, they should be assessed/ rated on how they perform in each game. It could be done by each coach and a seperate ref who asseses it from a video. I know people will say this will put too much pressure on them, but, knowing that they are hardly ever punished for poor performances is bound to make them too relaxed.
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| No, trial it in the Championships and see if it works first, if so roll it out to SL.
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| Quote daved="daved"
I think that with ref's being pro's, they should be assessed/ rated on how they perform in each game. '"
They are
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| Quote Gahan="Gahan"They are'"
I'm sure there is a report done by the coaches, but is there a technical assessment done where somebody looks at the decisions made during each game and analyses whether the decision was correct or not?
I'm sure it would probably only take about 15 hours a week.
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| Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty"No. As a referee, I see absolutely no reason for it at all. We already have 3 officials at matches (more if you count in-goal and the 4th official). They're all wired up. There is nothing that an extra ref on the field would add.
For example - if we think Offside isn't being policed properly, then one touchie can remain level with the defensive line, and call a penalty to the ref if they're offside.
If we think the PTB isn't being refereed correctly, then the ref isn't doing his job.
Forward passes should be picked up by touchies, and so should incidents in play on the ref's blind side.'"
totally agree. instead get the 5 we already have at each game to actually pay attention to what is going on.
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