the pitch will ultimately be judged on what type of return on investment it produces, it just makes no financial sense to have the biggest area of a modern stadium only contributing to the up keep for a couple of hours for about 20 weekends

I've got a mate whose played on it and he hated it. Apparently its too 'fast' and the bounce of the ball isn't true.

You had me with you until that part

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For the first time I'm interested how the proposed i pitch will be at Barnet when the Saracens RU team move there, insomuch as how it copes with competitive scrums, ie can forwards dig in for a push ?

Does it have an iPod dock?

pitches in the US (predominantly NFL) have been proven to 'give' far less than grass and the result is more injuries due to the more unforgiving nature of the surface/substructure (created by greater forces on impact as well as other lower limb rotation issues). That the NFL players are fully covered from top to toe means they don't have to endure any grazes but clearly this is an issue that needs a proper investigation.

Spoke to a couple of pro's on this, they hate in, in fact one of the guys said it's put certain players off signing for Widnes.



I think once Widnes break even on this they could consider returning to grass.

enough about Widnes.....we were discussing the pitch

They'll all have faces like Freddy Krueger by season's end, the amount of time they spend rubbing around on the ground.

Lots are now. They have plastic weaved into the grass so they are a hybrid type surface.

What was funny at the game at weekend was stewards telling people/press etc they couldnt walk across the black rubber strip behind the goals because "its actually part of the pitch".

wire had two players that didn't come out in the second half due to knee ligament injuries.