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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Is it 60k we have decided on now?
Why not 50k? why not 85k? why not 61250? Or 63451?
You doing a rainman impression...'"
Hey MAN,
Might be easier to blame the RAIN for the crap attendance, eh?

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| I don’t think anyone is making excuses. Most are quite happy with the attendance of the CC final. Except those who had decided to make up their own attendance and get angry about it.
I for instance have decided there were 7 people there, and I am furious about it. There should be at least 12 people there, and if it wasn’t for Super duper league ruining everything by getting more people to attend more often, then we could have been back in those halcyon days when we saw a team of postmen defeat a team of shepherds in front of 15 and a half people. And if you don’t believe that you must REALLY HATE RL
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Hey MAN,
Might be easier to blame the RAIN for the crap attendance, eh?
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We can blame whatever we want for whatever we want.
We could blame Deirdre Barlows poor taste in men for the being 8.234 people in attendance. We could blame the Greeks for their being 3.124 people in attendance, the Spartans for their being 300 people in attendance, Martin Luther King for there being 1 million men in attendance. We could blame Heisenberg and his damned uncertainty principle and just give up trying to measure anything.
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| Not many Leeds fans hung around to see Warrington presented with the CC last year.

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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"To answer your points:
The difference is - December/January would be right in the middle of the season when the weather is potentially at its very worst - not the same for June/July. There will be more disposable income in June/July too. Clubs play games over the Xmas to generate income - unlikely the same senario in June/July. I can't see how crowds will be enhanced by playing in December and January as opposed to June and July.
International tours are a thing of the past - this is not a SL issue this is a club v country issue and a spectatot apathy issue, clubs are not going to allow their prized assets to be away from the club for 2/3 months. The players in other eras were part time and going on a tour helped fill the off season rather than finding a part time job. The international game is of limited interest to most RL spectators, look at the crowds for tests between Australia and NZ which can be competitive. RL is a club game not an international game such as RU
The challenge cup has suffered in the same way that the FA Cup has suffered in that spectators are more interested in the league - this is also reflected in the higher league attendences now being experienced in SL compared to the league prior to SL. I would suggest higher attendences for 27 games a year is a preferred option to higher attendences for 5 games in a cup competition.
Overall playing standards are much higher now than they were pre SL - the game maybe in a lull right now but it is still light years away from the days of Wigan winning everything.
The lack of sponsors is more about the ineptitude of the RFL than it is about the quality of SL, the likes of Wood, Solly and Rimmer are not exactly high quality administrators - replace them with people who have a bit of acumen in marketing and you would find a decent sponsor. Also it would have been interesting to to see how pre SL they would have got on without tobacco sponsorship.
The game isn't on terrestrial TV but the funds flowing into the game have increased significantly - depends on your view of the benefits of Sky over the BBC - given the coverage the BBC give RL I am not sure what the benefit would be of terrestrial exposure. It certainly didn't have a positive impact on crowds when it was on the BBC?'"
Still no response William - not shocked!! keep rattling on about something you cannot prove.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"Still no response William - not shocked!! keep rattling on about something you cannot prove.'"
Wasn't worthy of a response Sal.
You lost me with your complete dismissal of international RL.
There's no point debating with parochial one-club supporting fools.
Enjoy your off-season immediately after the SL Grand Final.
Don't forget to wrap up too or else you'll catch a chill.
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| Quote William Eve="William Eve"Wasn't worthy of a response Sal.
You lost me with your complete dismissal of international RL.
There's no point debating with parochial one-club supporting fools.
Enjoy your off-season immediately after the SL Grand Final.
Don't forget to wrap up too or else you'll catch a chill.'"
You take a beating so well - shame I was hoping to engage you in some manful debate. Seems you want to hark back to the 1960s, the world has moved on shame you haven't. The world cup will be an interesting barometer of demand for international RL. The idea of playing both semis back to back at Wembley should draw a crowd if not then the RFL really are flogging a dead horse.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"You take a beating so well - shame I was hoping to engage you in some manful debate. Seems you want to hark back to the 1960s, the world has moved on shame you haven't. The world cup will be an interesting barometer of demand for international RL. The idea of playing both semis back to back at Wembley should draw a crowd if not then the RFL really are flogging a dead horse.'"
Sal... you've never got it and you never will. I accept there are lots of parochial one-club supporters just like you who are not interested in international RL and the bigger picture. The sport has never crawled out of it's northern backwater because it's infested predominantly by those with opinions just like yours.
May you continue to lavish praise on your hero Danny McGuire as he's twinkle-toeing in for his next hatful of inconsequential tries in meaningless fixtures against teams like London, Widnes and Cas during those precious two months of June & July which must be protected as part of the SL season no matter what the cost. Wouldn't want you or precious little softcock Danny Mags dying from frostbite in Dec or Jan now would we?
Now please excuse me while I rest up, elevate, compress and apply the requisite amount of ice and compression after that severe beating you've just manfully handed out to me.
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise" The world cup will be an interesting barometer of demand for international RL.'"
It will be interesting given the RFL's talent for marketing and promotion.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"It will be interesting given the RFL's talent for marketing and promotion.'"
Dunno about you but I've received far more emails and mailshots about tickets for Magic Weekend than I have about the World Cup. The current incumbents at the RFL aren't fit for the purpose.
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| Quote bewareshadows="bewareshadows" My recollection was that the RFL had taken over player development and academy costs from some years back allowing London to just fund their first team.
However I must be wrong as I can't find this anywhere, so I'm not sure why I thought this was the case.'"
London have never received any additional support from the RFL other than lip service. David Hughes requested that they "assist" with the promotion and development of the game in the south East and I believe additional RFL staff were employed in the London office on the Thames.....same staff have now been let go and the London RFL presence, that looks after the entire South of England is now 2........speaks volumes for how the RFL view anything south of Potters Bar
No probs about being wrong BTW.........us London fans are used to being informed of the bags of cash we get "on the side" every year but have never ever seen proof of it. In reality, if London Broncos had been treated the same way Melbourne storm were in the NRL then London wouldn't be an issue....except when we broke the cap to win a number of Grand Finals 
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| People are convinced that the international game and hopeful England success will be the key but it won't really. The problem it has it that we really only have 3 teams and that just isn't enough even if the contests and results were more even.
Two other sports (below the obvious number 1 in England of football) Cricket & RU both have much better international scenes but they have the advantage of several top teams followed by a few more lesser nations. If we only play the Aussies and Kiwis (because if we play any other teams it turns into "a joke fixture"icon_wink.gif it won't be enough......NOT IN THE 21st CENTURY. Already the cricketing Ashes has a strange kind of feel to it as they're going down under again in a few months to do it all over again and both those sports would struggle much more if their international was pretty much made up of ENG/AUS/NZ and not much else.
The also have play more, which would only be achievable if we follow suit and have international players missing chunks of their club season to do this......now considering people (including Mr Eve himself) have said that Season Tickets aren't value for money and one of the key reasons is because of the quality of player on show then how will sales go if fans know several 1st teamers will be away for several weeks on tour. How will it help the sport if you have Leeds vs Wigan with both sides missing 5/6/7 1st choice players?
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