I watched the Aussie coverage and the only players worth anything were Burgess, Ellis, Graham, Roby and Westwood. Burgess and Ellis because they play in the NRL and Graham because some of the clubs are chasing him and Roby, because they knew who he was.



They slated the outside backs.

Agree re Westwood, not seen much of him and he looked the business in both games. Needs to cut out the laying on but that aside he looks a good player.



Tomkins is still young and learning his trade. I think he was a bit lost today and thought he had a much better game at 6 last week. My only concern with him is he does look a bit of a one trick pony and hasn;t shown any great passing or kicking ability.

No Fielden or O'Loughlin for me, and I reckon for you too if you weren't a wigan fan.

If O'loughlin was played in his position then yes, but not at 6.

O'Loughlin looked very good last week and totally ineffective this. Stop playing forwards at 6 England, have we learnt nothing from Farrell,Sinfield et al?

Couldnt agree more, he's getting alot criticism for his performance but he put in the effort in a position he shouldnt be playing.

Westwood's been this good for years.

Robinson & Westwood are the only 2 to consistently shine so far for me. Roby flatters to deceive. Graham has been solid not spectacular. Atkins, Cudjoe, Brown, Harrison shouldn't be near international rugby league but i've been most disappointed with Ellis and Burgess.

I'd agree with all that.

Good grief. People in Wigan shouldn't be allowed near keyboards, they just embarrass themselves. Go on then, let's have chapter and verse on why Roby and Graham, two of England's best performers in every match, are underwhelming ? You're not allowed to say "because they play for Saints". Go on...?

I can't believe the people on here saying Westwood was a top player today. Is it because he's got shaggy hair so he looks vigorous when he runs ? Is it because he charges into tackles so you can go "oooh" before he gives away the inevitable penalty?



You could make a good case that Westwood lost us the game today. He is a penalty machine, both for Wire and for England. The one thing we needed was a good start, and we have the Aussies on their first set trying to come out of their own half. So what does Westwood do ? He wraps his legs around the tackled player's leg and gives away the stupidest penalty in international RL this year. The Aussies score straight from the resulting tap, and from then on we're on the back foot. It's not good enough to look as if you're running hard into the collision. In RL test matches between the big 3, penalties decide games. Westwood had no excuse for that - he wasn't tired, the defence wasn't scrambling after a break. He just lost the plot. You'll also find that he missed a fair few tackles too, which is inexcusable for a second-row.



I'm not saying he was the worst player out there. You'd have to say that numbers 1-6 were predictably woeful, and Burgess probably pipped him for the Shot-In-The-Foot medal in the forwards. But to say he was worthy of significant praise is rhubarb.

What a crock of shizer, you have completely contradicted your own previous post. You bleat about people having a go just because they play for saints....then have a go at Westwood!! If westwood played for saints he'd be amazing just like Graham.