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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"without all of them? probably an initially large fall in quality followed by a period of building the game back up to its level which would unfortunately take about 20-30 years.
Without about 40-60%, an initial small fall in quality, followed by no noticeable difference in 2/3 years and improvement from there onwards putting us fairly quickly into a better position.'"
Agreed.
Dont worry smokey clubs like cas are there to show everyone the way 
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| Quote pyeman="pyeman"Agreed.
Dont worry smokey clubs like cas are there to show everyone the way
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Not just quantity but quality too. 
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| It would be good if we could compare this to the number of home grown players in teams squads, i'll do cas (with number of games played for club)
huby-156 games
arundel- 10 games
thompson-17 games
holmes-5 games
orr- 191 games
davies- 1 game
owen- 72 games
milner- 4 games
massey- 8 games
walker- 7 games
clarke- 0 games
harris-0 games
orange-0 games
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| And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
Bradford ,Kearney,
Cas Chase,
Cats Greenshields, Sa,
Crusaders , Witt, Sammut,
Harlequins Dorn, Randall,
Huddersfield O'Donnell, Fa'alogo, Faiumu
Hull FC Fitzgibbon, Manu,
Hull KR Mason, Vella, Dobson, Newton, Galea, Clinton
Leeds Webb, Leuluai, Buderas, Lauititi, Cross, Hauraki
Salford Cashmere,
Saints , Soliola, Perry, Puletua, Flannery
Wakefield
Warrington Hodgson, King, Monaghan, Monaghan,
Wigan Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima, Hoffman, Finch, Roberts
41 players out of an original total of 95
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
Bradford ,Kearney,
Cas Chase,
Cats Greenshields, Sa,
Crusaders , Witt, Sammut,
Harlequins Dorn, Randall,
Huddersfield O'Donnell, Fa'alogo, Faiumu
Hull FC Fitzgibbon, Manu,
Hull KR Mason, Vella, Dobson, Newton, Galea, Clinton
Leeds Webb, Leuluai, Buderas, Lauititi, Cross, Hauraki
Salford Cashmere,
Saints , Soliola, Perry, Puletua, Flannery
Wakefield
Warrington Hodgson, King, Monaghan, Monaghan,
Wigan Carmont, Richards, Leuluai, Lima, Hoffman, Finch, Roberts
41 players out of an original total of 95'"
I agree totally with the point your making too many of them just aren't up to standard and certainly shouldn't be earning top dollar here and keeping young english kids out of the game.
From an Hull point of view though O'Meley was very good for us last season.
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"And out of all of these how many ADD anything to the game over here. Going on what they have done or their potential. Some may prove me wrong as we have yet to see them but lmore than 50% add nothing to the game over here except keep young players out.
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Widders has played well for Cas in the years he's been over here and has become a fans' favourite. Additionally, he does a lot in the Community. May not be an household name but then the players that tend to perform well over here rarely are.
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| Why cant they just put a cap of say 5 genuine non federation trained players?? Then everyone else has to be home grown or fed trained (including French). Is it illegal or something? Other sports seem to do it, Cricket or ice Hockey for instance. The rules as they are are so flimsy.
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| just a question to ponder - due to EEC employment regulations could an SL or C/C1 club have team made up of only french or other EEC member state players ?
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| Quote Alex Mc="Alex Mc"Why cant they just put a cap of say 5 genuine non federation trained players?? Then everyone else has to be home grown or fed trained (including French). Is it illegal or something? Other sports seem to do it, Cricket or ice Hockey for instance. The rules as they are are so flimsy.'"
Well that's what the rules are, however, clubs get around them with exemptions...
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| Bit harsh on Glenn Morrison DG. A true pro, class player and coaches the juniors at Wakey. If thats not adding something then I'm not sure what is.
Also how can you say Mason at Hull KR adds anything, hes only arriving in the next wweek or so and no one knows how he'll settle over here. I hope he's at his best as he will be great to watch but we won't know until the season gets underway. Same goes for all other new signings you've listed.
Ben Cross for Leeds looked like a quality addition yesterday, no nonsense tough and hard working, it was only a friendly but the signs look good with him, Delaney looks like he's shed a few pounds too, was disappointed with him last season but I think everyone will see a different player this year.
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| Quote Uptoncat="Uptoncat"Bit harsh on Glenn Morrison DG. A true pro, class player and coaches the juniors at Wakey. If thats not adding something then I'm not sure what is.
Also how can you say Mason at Hull KR adds anything, hes only arriving in the next wweek or so and no one knows how he'll settle over here. I hope he's at his best as he will be great to watch but we won't know until the season gets underway. Same goes for all other new signings you've listed.
Ben Cross for Leeds looked like a quality addition yesterday, no nonsense tough and hard working, it was only a friendly but the signs look good with him, Delaney looks like he's shed a few pounds too, was disappointed with him last season but I think everyone will see a different player this year.'"
You are right about Morrison but he is at the End of his career now. If he is coaching then fine but i would rather see a good young player on the Wakefield roster.
As for Mason if he lives up to his rep, puts bums on seats he may turn out to be a good signing.
Cannot really comment on Cross as yet to see him. Hopefully he will turn out to be a better buy that fatty Eastmond.
As for Widders at cas, i would bow to Fully's judgement. BUT i would say that another good young local lad coming through would do more for RL: in Cas than Widders
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| I doubt there is a junior player with the ability Morrison posesses at this moment in time, however with him mentoring and guiding player x then he may well help develop him into as good a or even better player than himself. What you need to realise this season at Wakey is that the majority of the squad are going to be relative youngsters with not so much first team experience. Morrison is going to be one of the most important people at our club this coming season in my opinion and quite a lot will be resting on his shoulders. I beieve he is of the right temperament and stature to handle this and bring out the best in our 'project' players.
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