Obviously, your business model wasn't very good then.

So where are these extra half a dozen or so teams going to come from in the long, nevermind short, term to give 14-16 teams who will be able to survive with 10,000 crowds and/or a sugar daddy ?

I'm in talks with Walter Mitty's estate about the LA Unicorns, the junior team are to be called the Leprechauns, then we have the possibility of Ankara Anchors, it's a brave new world...

I'd have the current 12 toronto and toulouse..... Possibly 2 more from the championship...... Beaumont would bankroll leigh with the assurance of top flight survival..... Widnes were successful under licencing.

The NRL, AFL, NFL, NHL, NBL...... All successful without P&R.... Weve had 100 years of jeapordy and were still tiny.........we need a top tier with strong teams and a minimum spend on marketing...... If peoe see full stadiums they want to be part of it....

I agree with what you say why they the RFL and super league can not see it it is bloody stupid to carry on the way we are

I’ve always been in favour of P&R but the problem is when a team gets relegated nowadays if they don’t come back up straight away they go bust or have to go back part time I think we could easily accommodate a 16 team league just add Toulouse Toronto Leigh and Bradford and you have Halifax and Fev waiting in the wings in case things don’t work out for any of teams

When we say that P&R is ingrained in our sporting culture, it is worth remembering that we had no promotion and relegation between 1905 and 1962 or 1964 to 1973, when we had a single league. As well as more recently, when there was none to and from SL from 1998 to 2000, and from 2009 to 2014, when there were other divisions. I’m not saying those are models we should look to recreate, but it isn’t the case that P&R has always been part and parcel of pro RL in this country.



I think P&R has only recently started being used in domestic first class Cricket, though it’s not a sport I follow closely.

I've said elsewhere, 2 conferences of 8 sides, with 14 Home and Away games v your fellow conference sides and 8 (4H/4A) games against the others.....that's 11 home games.

Then, top 4 sides of each division play each other once (4H/4A) as do the bottom sides....another 4 Home games.....15.

Then, in the top division a straight 1st v 8th, 2nd v 7th scenario........better teams rewarded with extra home games........

At the end of the lower 8 comp, If there's an applicant for a Licence that has been approved (diligence, but not in the Bradford sense), then the bottom side plays them home and Away with an aggregate winner staying up.



15 home games.....and no bloody loop fixtures.....



St Helens,

Warrington

Salford,

Leigh,

London

Toronto

Catalans

Castleford

Leeds

Bradford

FC

HKR

Wakefield

Huddersfield

Toulouse

Featherstone/Halifax

Let's not forget York who are 4th in the Championship. I'm absolutely chuffed for them and how well they're doing. It suggests we might have another top flight city team in the making.

Interesting, no Wigan?

How about lets stick with what we have for a couple of seasons





Apart from the missed opportunity of not including Toronto and Toulouse in the last format change, surely, we should stick with the system that we have.

Of course, it's bloody uncomfortable for those under threat and nobody wants their team to go down but, at least with the current format, there is always the opportunity to re gain promotion.

If we go to any kind of franchise / license system, we will still exclude the rest of the Championship clubs and make it difficult to add "expansion" sides to the comp.

The key to what may be possible in the future is likely to be massively affected by the next TV deal and who knows what that may bring.

I really hope Toulouse come up sooner rather then later, hopefully if Toronto bottle it again Toulouse will be waiting. Be better for the game as a whole to have another French team in the top league.