Maybe that person could convince the RFL to let him have a go at marketing the lower tiers , and give him a decent budget to do it

He's in America Now......Don't know why they let him leave. He was not only a good RL player, but also very well educated (Oxbridge)and 100% commited!

So it makes good business sence then to have a business loosing 1.5m a year hardly any fans to go watch them no income what so ever and prospects of winning something zero because you want rugby league to be seen in all it's glory yea looks really good to me doesn't it rugby league in London is not working and has done nothing to raise the profile of the game just because it's in the capatal isn't going to make a difference

Quins really need to rebuild, but not in Superleague. The RFL should have laid a better foundation and generated 2 London teams in the championship, this would provide a better progression. Also there would be a meaningful derby match instead of a team in geographic isolation.

I can see the gripe with DH and IL and the RFL, DH sounds loyal and dedicated, but his complaint is justified in putting all the money into the club as a minority shareholder, despite the RFL back pedalling on the IL issue which had a deadline of 2009. The RFL don,t help out either in expanding the game (financially) in the area and leaving to the Quins to be the "master of all" at the the costs of DH.

On the Quins negative side, the club does not have the fanbase even after all these years in whichever disquise you prefer, there away support is non existent. Also I can,t see them prospering under the umbrella of Harleqins Rugby Union Club without interference from the Union Code.

If nothing is done.................then we will have another 26 years of Deja Vu.

Is this development programme solely responsible for Harlequins RL’s current financial crisis?



I’m not having a go at your club here, but I can’t get my head around the scale which this development must take to rack up such debts year on year. Most clubs run community programmes, but it is not, or shouldn't be, allowed to become detrimental to the club itself. If this were to be the case then the club would simply cut back on it. Are Harlequins not allowed to do this?



It may be detrimental to the Quins bringing through local youngsters, but that must be a better option than ending up going to the wall?

I truly hope Quins come out of the other side of this and are healthier for it. Quins fans and other clubs fans alike can see that changes need to be made. I also think if the figures are correct regarding growth of the game in the capital and the majority of this being down to Quins then this is wrong and needs looking at. I fully believe the RFL will use the failure of Quins, should it happen, to cut the payments to clubs greatly and use it as a fairly hefty bargaining tool with the RFL. Maybe fans should think about this before wishing the death of a rugby league club. I also throw Haven into that statement as rugby league will be a worse place should either or both fail and go under.



As Gutterfax has touched on the fact not all clubs are whiter than white. I have seen goldfish with better memories and recollection of facts than some posters on here. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Don't hold your breath though, brace yourself for a stone fight.

Russel Crow

Facts people, facts.



London / Quins have NEVER been bailed out financially by the RFL or Superleague.

(When we reformed in 2005 there was no money received, all that happened was the debt to David Hughes was written off leaving Mr Hughes out of pocket).



The RFL have failed to enforce the condition that Ian Lenegan sell his shareholding in Quins within 2 years of taking over Wigan, but they have enforced the condition that forbids Mr Lenegan from investing any money in Quins (not that Mr Lenegan is complaining about this I suspect).



David Hughes is not asking for a handout, he is asking that the situation regarding Ian Lenegan owning 65% of the club be resolved, and that the RFL start to address their responsibilities regarding development of the game.

can i just say quins is just a stop gap club for people to watch who now live in london like someone who i know he goes to watch quins but used to support hkr till he moved to london he said to me the only reason why he goes to quins is because he could not go to watch hull kr every week and thats why its not working

Surely if there were more like him then that would be the exact reason it could work.



Fans through the gate are fans through the gate and more importantly money in the club coffers. It doesn't necessarily matter who wants to watch rugby league as long as they are.

but its real fans who give a rats about the club they need and unfortinatly they dont have that its football in london and allways will be thats just the way it is

Yes I see that but rugby league fans through the gate are better than nothing at all if you get my point.



Beggars can't be choosers at this moment in time. That is meant strictly in fans through the gate sense before somebody gets worked up.