I've also seen plenty of hammerings off widnes. Only difference is that when i started watching widnes were an excellent side. Sure, it hurt because it is our DERBY!(somebody needs to remind TS and the players of this), but thursday night was much more painful due to being outplayed by a poor widnes side with only twelve men on the pitch. Unacceptable! And no, i haven't calmed down yet!!

The play-off system is the current victim of sepia-tinted spectacles looking back on a past in which teams supposedly performed with 100% effort and execution 35 weeks a season. No-one ever under-performed, played dodgy, had an eye on another game, got complacent, couldn't be d, etc.



Now, every time a team plays badly or loses, it's the fault of the SL set-up. If a lower-placed team gets stuffed, it's because the salary cap has failed and/or the lack of relegation gives them nothing to play for. If a lower-placed team raises itself and gets a win (or close to), it's because the top-8 system gives the top side no motivation to win every game.



A complete load of McIlorum. The Wigan forum's full of the same navel-gazing crap.

First season ticket in a long while (VP ticket too at that). Will not be renewing.

Why, specifically?

I wonder how some of the posters on this thread would have reacted to the 80-0 drubbing by St. Helens in 1986?

4th Jan 1996 still sends shivvers down my spine what an awful night

I was there that night was it really 1986?

I thought it was in the mid 90's.

it has to be the 90's coz Brian Johnson was still the coach, I remember his resignation over it!

Either way, the reactions would have been interesting!

Definitely mid 90s. I was only born in 1986, so I'm not sure I'd remember being there if it was played then.

I guess I don't enjoy watching the Wire as I used to. I think it's the lack of intensity in most of the games. The Widnes game just encapsulated it all for me.



I'll pick and choose my games next season and pay on the day.