I agree, who were they playing against? Sounds like they must be terrible?

Wonder how well they were coached?

The players aren't good enough to turn it around and I don't think the coaching staff know what to do different so they just bury their heads and carry on with same tripe.

We won't finish in the top 4 unless ST is the second coming.

Well, quite! The Rabbitohs looked lazy and off the pace, and didn't seem to even start to play until they'd conceded three (pretty soft, to be fair) tries. Then they started to chuck it around a bit and get some second phase, and clawed their way back into the game. But to their credit, the Tigers didn't fold, and had a mini-revival themselves in the second half, where they scored enough additional points to make the game safe. Souths have been disappointing all season, and yes, they don't look a well-coached side at all to me.



The Tigers won't be troubling the top of the table, but there's no doubt that Brooks and Tedesco in particular are very talented and skillful players who should be able to look forward to long and successful careers. How I would love to see someone of their ability in a Wigan shirt!



But just going back to the original thread topic, it seems to me that even our 'best' front-rowers (Flower, Clubb, Mossop?) are nothing special. I doubt Leeds or Warrington or Saints would want to swap any of them.

I mentioned Leeds in my earlier post. I hope some of the moaners on here watched his after match interview with Jon Wells.

I couldn't give a fishes tit about Leeds.

However inept they may appear won't change how rank we are.

We can't pass, make a break, kick on the last or even think of not playing by numbers.

I'll take Leeds to beat us at Headingly with ease. Happy to take any bets.

We are poor and have yet to play most teams away and our lofty position is probably most likely a temporary station before we descend down the league table.

We can't play rugby so we should not hide behind another teams misfortune.

What odds you offering g on Wigan finishing top 4 after super 8s

What odds offering for grand final appearance

Whatodds you offering for a grand final win

Happy to match whatever Mr Patrick Power currently offers.

The last time I looked we were favourites to win the GF but that was before Warrington shafted us. If you really do think we will win the GF then now is the time to strike because if you think that our future form can and only will improve then the odds will tumble.

I would be delighted to pay up if we won the GF.

I see you thinking of hedging your bets with a runners up spot



Seriously hope your optimism is correct and that I need a visit to Specsavers.

Well if they have us favourites yet you think

We won't make the top 4

And you think we will finish around 6th after regular season

We won't finish top after super 8s

So in short we can't win it

Then only matching Pedro power's odds is hardly a sign of your conviction of your own arguments?

I have taken on Paddy Power (some with handicap and others without) in all of Wigans games this season except Saints and have lost once and that was the Castleford game. I genuinely don't think the bookies have latched on to how poor we really are and are relying on recent history rather current form.

Very hapy to nudge up the odds if you make a sensible suggestion and make it a decent bet.

I could add that you also lack conviction asking for odds to lose the final but assume you are just covering your bet

I'm not the one saying were not a top 4 team

If your correct then offering odds on a top 4 finish, a grand final app e at.ace and a grand final win should be relatively easy as well, in your words, it's not going to happen?



Ill take even money we make top 4

2/1 making the final

4/1 winning it

If you don't ask you don't get.

We are currently 15/8 to win so you are asking me to more than double the odds which is a big ask. Make it a decent amount and I will give you the 4/1

The other 2 odds I also accept.

Name your amounts and we can agree where/how we arrange it. If you just want to keep it on trust no problem with that all. If you want an agreement that it's a charity bet then again no problem we can both name our charity.



It will add a bit of interest to the season

Correct Andy our forwards are a bunch of non meter making pussies



Thank god for Bateman who punches well above his weight rather than pussies like Mossop,Clubb,Isa &Tautai who couldn't knock their way out of a wet paper bag



This is my biggest concern regarding our side once the big games come around as sides like Wolves,Hull FC and Catalans have far more grunt than our shower of Plodders