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Think the comments about MM are a joke and is just the clubs side of the story. He cites age when his replacement is three years older and form from a player coming back from a broken ankle when plenty of the rest of the team had poor form last season. It's obvious MM looked for a chance to play in Oz but when that fell through he wasn't going anywhere until the club told him he ought to look at going to Les Cats. You don't point players you want to keep towards the exit door so when MM said it was made plain his future lay elsewhere now you know what he meant.
The biggest revelation though is how much we pay in wages. £2.2m for[i that[/i squad?  Very poor value for money IMO. I know IL when he arrived was unhappy about a small number of players taking up a large chunk of the cap and I also remember Rads mentioning Leeds have a pay structure where players progress up a pay scale that Wigan were looking at doing similar. Well it looks to me like such automatic pay rises have led to far too many average players being paid too much and a massive wage bill.
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Think the comments about MM are a joke and is just the clubs side of the story. He cites age when his replacement is three years older and form from a player coming back from a broken ankle when plenty of the rest of the team had poor form last season. It's obvious MM looked for a chance to play in Oz but when that fell through he wasn't going anywhere until the club told him he ought to look at going to Les Cats. You don't point players you want to keep towards the exit door so when MM said it was made plain his future lay elsewhere now you know what he meant.
The biggest revelation though is how much we pay in wages. £2.2m for[i that[/i squad? Very poor value for money IMO. I know IL when he arrived was unhappy about a small number of players taking up a large chunk of the cap and I also remember Rads mentioning Leeds have a pay structure where players progress up a pay scale that Wigan were looking at doing similar. Well it looks to me like such automatic pay rises have led to far too many average players being paid too much and a massive wage bill.
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According to MM yesterday he didn't want to go to Aus because of his dogs(?), and that was a genuine reason.
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| Quote Wigg'n="Wigg'n"According to MM yesterday he didn't want to go to Aus because of his dogs(?), and that was a genuine reason.'"
I can believe that. Not a dog lover myself but we have friends who are and the way they treat the things better than some of the human members of the family never ceases to amaze me  |
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Define stand out?
If you mean he shows talent that sets him apart from his peers [uthen surely a young player of the year award in 2016 does that. [/uAlso in a pretty poor season overall (where I’d agree he wasn’t a stand out performer for over half of it) he managed 11 try’s and a league high of 29 assists. The lads who took all the plaudits in Gale, Kelly and Sneyd managed 13/20, 19/14 and 7/18 respectively. It isn’t all about try’s and assists of course but it’s a major factor and when you add in his superb defence and line breaking ability I think you do have a player that sets himself apart from the majority of superleague halfs.
Is he good enough for the NRL? With the right partner I’d say undoubtedly but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.'"
Hate to be pedantic mate but GW got it in 2015, it was Tom Johnstone in 2016. 
On Williams, I personally think he's a cracking player, yes he still has parts of his game to work on, like Kicking but give him a pack that can make plenty of yards and he will shine behind them and he's still only 23. |
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The 'he's only 23' line is a copout, as is the idea of needing a winning pack to play well (obviously it helps). Compare Williams' skill with the likes of Mitchell Moses (23), Nathan Cleary (20) and what's severely lacking is exactly those core basic skills without which you won't have a future in the NRL - kicking, passing and organising.
That's not bashing Williams BTW, every young halfback Britain has produced for years has lacked one or more of the skills to the sorts of levels required. Its why I hope that Williams, unlike so many before him actually does develop them. To me its down to lack of quality coaching for juniors, but also as someone else mentioned the sad fact that halfbacks simply don't need to get that good to play regularly and win things in SL.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The 'he's only 23' line is a copout, as is the idea of needing a winning pack to play well (obviously it helps). Compare Williams' skill with the likes of Mitchell Moses (23), Nathan Cleary (20) and what's severely lacking is exactly those core basic skills without which you won't have a future in the NRL - kicking, passing and organising.
That's not bashing Williams BTW, every young halfback Britain has produced for years has lacked one or more of the skills to the sorts of levels required. Its why I hope that Williams, unlike so many before him actually does develop them. To me its down to lack of quality coaching for juniors, but also as someone else mentioned the sad fact that halfbacks simply don't need to get that good to play regularly and win things in SL.'"
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The 'he's only 23' line is a copout, as is the idea of needing a winning pack to play well (obviously it helps). Compare Williams' skill with the likes of Mitchell Moses (23), Nathan Cleary (20) and what's severely lacking is exactly those core basic skills without which you won't have a future in the NRL - kicking, passing and organising.
That's not bashing Williams BTW, every young halfback Britain has produced for years has lacked one or more of the skills to the sorts of levels required. Its why I hope that Williams, unlike so many before him actually does develop them. To me its down to lack of quality coaching for juniors, but also as someone else mentioned the sad fact that halfbacks simply don't need to get that good to play regularly and win things in SL.'"
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So it is official, Gelling has signed for the other Warriors.
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| Quote Levrier="Levrier"So it is official, Gelling has signed for the other Warriors.'"
Well that is a new way to get out of a contract. Seek compassionate leave, get a release on that basis and then you are free to sign for another club and your new club gets you for free. |
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Very cynical. He’ll be playing for absolute peanuts at NZW, night not even play for them at all and is on a one year contract.
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Well that is a new way to get out of a contract. Seek compassionate leave, get a release on that basis and then you are free to sign for another club and your new club gets you for free.'"
I know yeah, all he had to do was get his girlfriend involved in a bad car crash  |
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Very poor value for money IMO. I know IL when he arrived was unhappy about a small number of players taking up a large chunk of the cap and I also remember Rads mentioning Leeds have a pay structure where players progress up a pay scale that Wigan were looking at doing similar. Well it looks to me like such automatic pay rises have led to far too many average players being paid too much and a massive wage bill.
