Think that's a silly comment. Wello was untouchable for 2/3 years in his prime. He was scoring tries, great under high ball ( still is), great in defence( still is).



It's early days to be saying that Tomkins is the better fullback over wello. Wello has done it for ten years yet Sam is only in his 2nd year at fullback.



I'll admit tho, if Sam carries on his progress ( I think he will ) then he'll be up their with the great fullbacks/players this country had produced. He's a fantastic talent and exciting to watch. My heart stops every time he gets the ball.



To be honest, I don't lime the lad, he's very sly but its the winning of penalties he gets from holding the defender down by locking the defenders arm under his arm and neck. He doesn't need to do that silly stuff.

Forget the tomkins v wellens debate, the person who stated that sam tomkins is a more exciting talent than benji marshall needs to go and have a long lie down.

Depends on the perspective, as a Wigan fan S Tomkins is more of an exciting prospect than Benji.

Wellens was and remains a true professional and deserves to be an all time Saints legend for his dedication, work ethic and excellent rugby brain, but even at his peak Wellens was limited by one crucual factor - a serious lack of pace - that stopped him from being world class. When Wigan fans point this out they aren't having a go at Wellens (despite the Slug jibes Wellens is respected by most Wigan fans), they're having a go at Saints fans and the RL media who got ridiculously overexcited about him. Wellens may have won lots of individual honours but that says more about the weakness of British RL in the era he has played in. You just have to think about the ludicrous comparison Badwanger made (see my sig) between Jonathan Davies and Wellens to understand the difference between a truly gifted, genuinely world class player and a hard working player who has done a fantastic job within his limitations (and to see how far the game has gone backwards from the mid '90s to the mid noughties).

Fear of being tackled? Are you serious? If there's one thing Sam does get criticism for, it's taking on the line too much when a pass might be the better option.

Tomkins junior will never be as good at fullback as Wellens. In his pomp Wellens was outstanding, whereas t'other one was totally ineffective on the big stage last season against the Kiwis and Australians. And this season, most teams have worked out that peppering him with high balls, and a robust

chase that tackles him before he can get running soon knocks him off his game.



Eventually, the penny will drop, and maybe your new manager will play him in his natural position, where he will be an outstanding no 6.



That's assuming he doesn't follow your current coach to sunny Oz.....

hold on...how many good games did Wellens play for GB and how many times did he play? Compare than against Sams in 10 years.

I agree, wello does and always lacked pace but in his pomp he over come this with his positional play in supporting players. Every time the was a break he was there in support. His try scoring proves that in them 3yrs.



So what I'm saying, he overcome his lack of pace with his rugby brain and world class positional play.

In 2006, he was the stand out player in what for me, was the greatest ever saints team!



He won the man of steel and harry sunderland award.



Also in 2006 GB beat Aus in their own back yard



So he was a stand out player in what was quite a good time for British RL

get over it, its nothing new, leeds have been chucking a dozen a game since before the days of them having Calderwood, but because we chuck a few flat (and forward) passes it immediately needs to be urgently addressed





IMO the linesment dont have much to do and if they cant even get this right then there aint much point having them. they have clearly been told only to flag for blatant forward passes

Not being funny there's no denying Sam is a very fine player but to put him in the same league as Slater,Marshall etc is BS.

Well said.



What some people don't seem to realise is that believe it or not Sam has only played one full season as a first choice player.