It's Wigan, followed by Huddersfield.



The control of 'the ruck' is a myth. Wigan aren't holding down the player longer than everybody else (with a few exceptions - see yesterday's game). What our players actually do is slow down the tackle process by getting two or three players to wrap up the ball and keep the ball carrier off the deck, so that our line is effectively set before the tackle is completed.



It may look like it's worth it but we've got progressively worse at giving away penalties as the season progresses and it is one or two players in particular.

Correct. We slow the tackle down not the PTB.







I think you are being harsh. I do not think we have got progressively worse. Yesterday was just an error strewn game it horrendous conditions against the current champions which we had the better of however we did not convert it into a win.



The irony is had we played Leeds in the same conditions 12 months ago the weather would have suited us more and our off the cuff brain dead rugby. We could not get our attacking moves going due to the poor weather which played into the Rhino's hands.



We have improved beyond what anybody could expected. We have a fantastic chance of making the GF if we finish top. We are as good as anybody in this league. We need to kick on from this and ensure we finish top to give us the best chance of getting to old trafford.

The conditions had a lot to do with it, but I think that's collectively the worst game I've seen our threequarters have. They've been a major strength all season (hence why we've been scoring so many tries out wide), but all 4 were poor on Sat.



Roberts didn't look fully recovered from his injury, so perhaps had some excuse (or alternatively perhaps shouldn't have played). Looked the most threatening of the 4, though.



Gleeson was poor; some dreadful passes early on in our exit sets, and of course [ithat[/i missed tackle.



Carmont bombed two decent scoring chances that normally he'd have snapped up.



Pryce; the best even his fans can find is one routine clear up of a grubber on his line.

Why Wigan let Leeds score more points than them? One missed tackle.



Can talk about all the penalties we gave away all day long, but if Martin Gleeson had made the tackle on Lee Smith, we could be awaiting the prospect of a Challenge Cup semi final.

Still think they would have scored on that set somewhere. Our last chance was on the third tackle when Roberts made a play at the ball if he hadn't who's to say the Leeds players wouldn't have fumbled the ball, it wasn't the best pass. Even if he had caught it he was covered (that was 4th tackle), our players were set for the last two. Just rotten luck.

This was the turning point for sure. All went west after Prescott stupidly held the player on if he was tired then you got to look at the subs we had only one prop a hooker and two second rowers, one of which played about 14 mins 10 of which was in the sin bin and the other wasted time getting stripped.



Bad selection!

I've never heard that one before.

Its strange because I, similar to Jiffy, felt Wigan were the more deserving team overall and were unlucky to fall victim of a big play in the last minute.



However, Sinfield had an off day with the boot. Most weeks Leeds wouldn't have been trailing as they were throughout that match and wouldn't have needed a last gasp winner.

Can anybody remember when they last saw a player penalised for kicking or throwing a ball away in frustration?? they tend to just call time off to get a ball on the field, I thought that decision whilst silly play from Coley was pedantic to say the least, The penalties against O'loughlin when his arm was trapped and the last one against Prescott were both Shocking decisions.





I completely agree that these decisions directly didn't cost us the game as this was down to a combination of a fingertip by roberts and a missed tackle by Gleeson but we are really suffering with 50/50 calls at the moment, possibly down to all the other coaches, chairmans etc whinging.





To me the fact that between this game and the Hudds game we have had 3 players binned and Leeds or Hudds had none speaks volumes. Senior, Mason and Peacock should have all had to sit out at least 10 mins in these games while Farrell should be recieving some kind of apology as his binning was a disgrace, he was clearly commited and most of my frustration at this decision is with Mcguire for going down like he had been shot by a sniper prompting the touchjudge to run on. It will be like football before long.





The biggest decision of the game though in my opinion was to rule a handover from the VR when Tomkins was held up, it was a blatant knock on by Smith that was missed and should have been a scrum to wigan on Leeds 10m line with 6 tackles and this COULD have had a major bearing on the game.

What action do you think should have been taken against Coley for the spear tackle?

Do you mean the one where he tackled Delaney and delaney landed on his back, similar to the Tomkins one against crusaders that faced No further action?





I think it was rightfully a penalty but I think he will get a caution at the worst for technique, didnt end up in a dangerous position.

None. It wasn't a spear tackle, just a Grade A dangerous throw.