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| Quote jdrocket="jdrocket"icon_lol.gif
good answer.
Meli might catch you though

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I genuinely don't feel LMS is the all-conquering prop his reputation makes him sound. I don't think he's better than Prescott, although I think he has a lot more potential.
Push Puletua or Clough up to the 4th prop role and there isn't a lot that scares me from their 2nd row. Flannery/Wilkin/Clough is pretty poor (although I rate Clough, just think he's a prop). Looks a bit stronger with Puletua in there but he's never going to do huge minutes.
Strong pack no doubt but I think our strength in the back row is going to result in 1 or 2 moving up to prop to make that position even stronger.
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| Quote inside_man="inside_man"I genuinely don't feel LMS is the all-conquering prop his reputation makes him sound. I don't think he's better than Prescott, although I think he has a lot more potential.
Push Puletua or Clough up to the 4th prop role and there isn't a lot that scares me from their 2nd row. Flannery/Wilkin/Clough is pretty poor (although I rate Clough, just think he's a prop). Looks a bit stronger with Puletua in there but he's never going to do huge minutes.
Strong pack no doubt but I think our strength in the back row is going to result in 1 or 2 moving up to prop to make that position even stronger.'"
I am really looking forward to seeing (or not, should i say) LMS and Graham in the prop position. It seems scary knowing Lms or Graham or Perry can just dismantle an opposition by just hitting it hard. As you say though, LMS is pure potential and i think he has bags of it. There will be improvement as soon as he puts on the red V.
I can see holes in the SR but i think even those are machines that will destroy teams while they are there. If they have a weakness it is depth in SR.
3 excellent props in JG, LMS, JP <- i'd say best prop in the league in JG
SR-TP, SS, PC, JW <- three big people there maybe 2 should be prop PC and SS
HK- JR <- best british hooker
Wigan's big thing is strength in depth, for that they can't be touched; but in terms in big guns i think it goes to Saints hands down. There will be long periods of next season where Saints have the best pack by a good distance.
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| Is was very easy for LMS to stand out in a less than average HQ team over the past few years. It will be a real test for him to step up and take his place in a strong Saints pack. He is light years off being anywhere close to the standard of Graham.
Lets not forget at Wigan, along with already having Fielden, Coley & Lima, we have Mossop who is being bulked up for the front row and the return of Gaz Hock. Anyone who has seen Hock in recent months will be able to agree that he has gone massive.
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| Quote {Hogan}="{Hogan}"Is was very easy for LMS to stand out in a less than average HQ team over the past few years. It will be a real test for him to step up and take his place in a strong Saints pack. He is light years off being anywhere close to the standard of Graham.
Lets not forget at Wigan, along with already having Fielden, Coley & Lima, we have Mossop who is being bulked up for the front row and the return of Gaz Hock. Anyone who has seen Hock in recent months will be able to agree that he has gone massive.'"
Wouldn't deny that
You are spot on with all of that.
I think Hock may take a little bit of derusting if he comes back to Wigan.
Is there talk of moving his position?
I haven't seen much of Lima. Just in passing. but i know Coley and Fielden to be erm... part of the scenery at Wigan. I know Coley was more a cheap shot merchant than J. Tomkins. Fielden looked improved last season but he is getting on.
edit: not appropriate on Wigan board
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| Quote {Hogan}="{Hogan}"Is was very easy for LMS to stand out in a less than average HQ team over the past few years. It will be a real test for him to step up and take his place in a strong Saints pack. He is light years off being anywhere close to the standard of Graham.
Lets not forget at Wigan, along with already having Fielden, Coley & Lima, we have Mossop who is being bulked up for the front row and the return of Gaz Hock. Anyone who has seen Hock in recent months will be able to agree that he has gone massive.'"
And Prescott, O'Carrol and Davies.
Then in the second row / loose forward positions Tomkins, Hansen, O'Loughlin, Hoffman, Farrell, Tuson and Mossop.
Perry will miss the first five games for Saints.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"O'Carrol and Davies.
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Do you see these getting a crack at the whip next season giving the players ahead of them?
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| Quote {Hogan}="{Hogan}"Do you see these getting a crack at the whip next season giving the players ahead of them?'"
It'll depend on how they perform and how they train. Injuries will play a major part, and all teams will get them at some stage.
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| Quote {Hogan}="{Hogan}"Do you see these getting a crack at the whip next season giving the players ahead of them?'"
Davies will go out on loan again surely, preferably to a Super League club this time, Crusaders perhaps?
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"coped with every pack last year and there were no changed in it from the year before...'"
Our's mullered your's twice. Alot of your fans admitted that on here as well. Especially the one at the JJb when your pack were thrown around like rag dolls, remember Prescott and Fielden with quote a few drop's form bone jarring hit's. I remember one quote "We'll get our own back next year". It's okay to admit that your team isn't the best in every single area.
If I was merging the two I'd go.
Morley
Monas
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| Quote Mark="Mark"Our's mullered your's twice. Alot of your fans admitted that on here as well. Especially the one at the JJb when your pack were thrown around like rag dolls, remember Prescott and Fielden with quote a few drop's form bone jarring hit's. I remember one quote "We'll get our own back next year". It's okay to admit that your team isn't the best in every single area.
If I was merging the two I'd go.
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I dont remember your pack battering us at the HJ.....
Our pack was short as Coley was suspended at the DW and we had to move Prescott up to starting prop and he didnt back up Fielden. Carvell over Fielden or Coley is a joke, Wood is better than Carvell, and Hoffman is better than both the 2 second rowers you named,
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"I dont remember your pack battering us at the HJ.....
Our pack was short as Coley was suspended at the DW and we had to move Prescott up to starting prop and he didnt back up Fielden. Carvell over Fielden or Coley is a joke, Wood is better than Carvell, and Hoffman is better than both the 2 second rowers you named,'"
I've already said your's will be by far the best next season, I'm basing it on last season. All about opinion's I guess.
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