I would say no, after the poor start to the season, they are a very average team punching well above their weight , you have to give some credit to him for that . But at the end of the day the squad isn't good enough. Lots of cap money spent on under performing players .

Has Holbrook actually won anything at Saints? They always seem to bottle it at the last moment.

Has Holbrook got so much more out of his players than previous coaches?

Saints were a better team than Wigan in 2018. Wigan were champions. Which you prefer cups or being a good team?

You are Shaun Wane and I claim my £10

We’re talking about how a coach can improve players. So before you try to twist the argument to make your own point in a completely different discussion...



Do you think Holbrook has improved the saints squad during his time?



Your point is completely wide of the mark. We’re discussing how a coach. An improve a team.



There’s always an issue when the posters post is based off his own opening comment.

We were crap - all over the pitch and Salford were much better.



For me the biggest two gripes are lack of effort and most worryingly just how much the team have gone backwards in terms of basic RL skill and tactics. Salford won by doing the basics right (much like Saints the week before) - they did nothing fancy or clever just the basics right, something Wigan have totally lost.Both in defence and attack the basics skill sets were missing - and that is a worry, surely the most fundamental job of any coach is to ensure the team has the basics right - for me Lam does not look like a coach that can do that.



We can argue/agree over individual players all day long but are the Salford team so much better individually than Wigan, I doubt it very much - the big difference is that Salford did the basics right and looked like a team that had been coached - Wigan did not at any stage.



Wane's teams may have been dull at times but at least looked like they had a plan and had been coached on the basics. The current Wigan team have gone backwards in both those fields.

Lam has improved plenty of players this season. I’d say Marshall, Sarginson, Williams, Leuluai, Powell (especially Powell) Partington, Farrell, Isa, Smithies, Byrne are all far better players now than they were in January.

Maybe since January, but since October last year, all of them (except the youngsters and Powell) have got worse.

You are joking right?



This time last year many of those players were ripping it up and getting ready to win the Grand Final.

Completely disagree and the performances of said players backs that up. All season you’ve been very pro Lam to the point that you don’t see to be seeing how poor our team has gotten under his leadership.



Marshall as naturally developed due to more game time, I’d say the same goes for Smithies, Partington and Bryne. There’s nothing to suggest Lams coaching has done anything to improve their play.



Sarginson hasn’t changed. Under Wane he was seen good enough to earn an NRL contract.

Williams has took a massive step backwards, same with Faz who after a few games looks ineffective and lost. Faz again was fantastic in previous seasons which saw him gain an England call up.



The team in the last two games, the most important 2 games of the season looked as bad as I’ve seen in them when in truly mattered in many many years.



At this stage with how this season panned out, with how we performed when it mattered; I don’t know how anyone can defend Lam.



He’s took a champion side and in under a year see us decline into what we saw last night.

I think there’s a lot more to consider before we write off half the players and he coach.



Now it’s over for us we can look back on the season as a whole. It’s been extremely challenging for the squad. We’ve lost the stability Wane offered. We’ve had the will he/won’t he saga with Edwards. An interim coach who’s signed a 1 year extension. The Tautai & Hamlin distractions and yet again a huge injury toll.



It was always going to be a season of transition which I’d expect to continue into next year. On reflection we’ve done better than I expected, I was expecting 4th to 8th so I was very pleased to end up in 2nd.



I’m of course disappointed with the performances of the last few weeks. I honestly think we have just ran out of steam. Lam admitted we have been in play off mode for about 3 months, combined with injuries that takes its toll.



We have a lot to address going forward, particularly the pack. Burgess will help but for me we are still a quality yardage prop and a right second row away from having a formidable pack. People talk about halves and backs but generally they can’t perform unless the pack has done its job and at least matched the opposition which it hasn’t done often enough.



Finally I’d like to congratulate Salford and wish them look for Saturday. I’ll be a Red Devil for the day.

Actually agree.

Big reds response to our thrashing at Saints was... ‘sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the opposition’



Says it all. Lam, Can literally do no wrong in his eyes. I don’t get it.