Howarth's just the victim in all this, the club have now let Paea and Collis leave and in return we have got a player what cannot even get into a hitherto poor Hull 17, is there any wonder the fans are not exactly ecstatic.

Poor to average signing, but kind of where the club are right now. At least it potentially allows Godinet yo play in the halves.

I've yet to see anything official to say Collis has left, although he is not in this week's 19. (Injury could be a reason knowing his history.)



Mind you I'm still awaiting an announcement that the eagle has landed

Looked pretty average in his brief appearances for Hull, solid defence though, not sure I would class us as poor, certainly not the way we are playing at the moment, our starting pack is as good as most in SL.



We are brilliant, but much improved and should make the top 8 now.

Think you missed the n and t.Watched you last night,first 20 looked at 6s and 7s but after that looked good,how Brown didn't get at least 10mins is beyond me,suprised Betts didn't moan about the pitch

Top 8 is easy for you.

If he was in contract until November then he would be entitled to the money for it and so probably a deal will have been done with either us/Howarth or both in order for all 3 parties to be satisfied.

Similar to deals done I suspect for the likes of Tim Smith and Arundel.

Or we have just taken over his contract as in most deals of this type.

Do think MC would take over a Hull player contract in full?

I think it will have been a matter of we will take him off your books but on our terms ie they pay some of his contract or we don't take him. Hull wanted him off their wage bill, so the foregoing scenario reduces their wage bill and WT don't pay the full wack.

Where does it say Hull wanted him off their wage bill? Just maybe we approached them for him and they released him. Adam Pearson has already said after Arundal that he wouldn't be subsidsing any more wages of players leaving, there is zero change he will be paying anything towards Howarth.

Have we got some clandestine link up with Hull going on or what?

Yes I understand that and it is speculation on my part, but if a player has a contract then he still has some bargaining power whatever AP says. The player could simply say that he is staying and I want my contract payment, usually some compromise (give and take) is made. I know it is a different club, but do you think that Tim S left Salford and is on less money than his Salford contract? and I can't imagine that WT are paying it all.

That comparison has no relevence given the size and length of contracts we will be talking about here. Tim Smith was on a large whack at Salford and had a full year left on his deal. Howarth was a late signing to give them a bit of cover, he will have been on peanuts anyway, so them part paying would free up no cap space for them and save them next to nothing. And his contract ran until the end of this season, we have signed him for an extra year on top. Why would Howarth sit on his Hull deal and possibly lose his employment chance for next year?? We will have likely just taken over his contract for this year and stuck an extra year on top.