Give over - Walmsley is one of the best 3 forwards in SL; KH is developing well and will definitely get better, but he's miles behind Walmsley.

I agree some people getting carried away. Can't agree about England though, nowhere near where he was early last year. Thought Allgood looked better. Allgood, Hirst are a threat to England as would Walker have been if not injured.

According to CC Walker could be back next week along with Arona. That's good news IMO

IMO Mullally was the best front row forward on the field for either team.



I'd have him back tomorrow

He was pretty good, but I thought the big guys softened us up and he took advantage so my credit would go to the big guys Cuthbertson & Garbutt. Good balance of forwards, TBH, but I think we would have matched them if we'd not lost Big Dave.

And played Huby

Despite all that's been said on this post about either the Leeds forwards or their hooker winning the game for them, the fact is WE could still have won the game had we been a bit smarter!

Like everyone I hate losing to Leeds and slightly more to 'Cas, but I'm over it. We aren't far behind Leeds and Cas just have to keep working and perhaps recruit a smart playmaker ourselves (not really 'hookers' are they?)

Correct, I'm surprised - actually I probably not - surprised at the amount of bleating on here for what was a 2 point loss after a 7 match winning run - seriously, all teams lose.

I think Hirst has done ok but the say he is better or even at the same level to Walmsley is stupid and just plain wrong.

Have to disagree, England and fifita when on form are our best forwards, I watched then come off the bench to batter Wigan, again allgood not doing the minutes, England averages 60 mins plus, and his defence is very strong, we look better when he is on with either Huby or big Dave, he's in top 3 for me, until others have the fitness to do more than 10-15 mins spells here and there.



Yes maybe not as influential as last season due to he was our only big forward and carried the forwards, so it's good to see others step up, next few weeks will see with big Dave in the stands, again IMO.

I stand by what I say. However I rate our entire pack tbh so the position I currently rate England is not a bad thing. He's still very much deserves his spot in the team - it's all relative.



Put it this way even if Fifita wasn't injured it wouldn't take a massive step up from England to displace Dave as number one .



That has to be good for the club - perfect opportunity on Thursday

Hope you don't think I'm bleating, thought we pretty much matched Leeds and if a few handling errors hadn't been made we could have beaten them despite missing players and losing Fifita. It's really nice to be watching good rugby and competitive games.

I'd like to see the stats for England - because for me, whilst he looks willing, he can also look a bit ineffectual; he seems fairly easy to stop and is often dominated.



Fifita is a law unto himself, and both Huby and Hirst have nice feet and the potential to offload; Allgood is a machine - he just goes straight up time after time. I'm not sure what England's USP is.

Stats according to SuperLeague website

Fifita:

Tackles 386

Marker Tackles 62

Missed Tackles 17

Tackle Busts 58

Carries 247

Metres 1899

Average Gain 7.69



Huby:

Tackles 362

Marker Tackles 31

Missed Tackles 23

Tackle Busts 21

Carries 207

Metres 1481

Average Gain 7.15



England:

Tackles 259

Marker Tackles 44

Missed Tackles 23

Tackle Busts 5

Carries 136

Metres 869

Average Gain 6.39



Hirst:

Tackles 199

Marker Tackles 30

Missed Tackles 5

Tackle Busts 7

Carries 94

Metres 697

Average Gain 7.41



Allgood:

Tackles 217

Marker Tackles 35

Missed Tackles 23

Tackle Busts 8

Carries 94

Metres 621

Average Gain 6.61



Arona:

Tackles 511

Marker Tackles 79

Missed Tackles 23

Tackle Busts 8

Carries 199

Metres 1281

Average Gain 6.44



Standout stats for me -

Fifita 58 tackle busts

Arona 511 tackles

That's 2 big misses for Thursday night, someone else needs to step up. England has the lowest average gain of all our props so needs a big effort from him in their absence to give the team a boost.