Apart from donkeys years ago what good times do you mean. I am fortunate because I was there through the sixties and seventies but I can't recall many good times since. We are battling relegation year after year. Good times seem a long way off unfortunately.

Can say that again. In the meantime, you get the feeling we’re getting the life strangled out of us

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that. Then yes, I didn't see what a good decision it was going to be. Glad it worked out.

To get his director loan back….?

No problem, I really respect people like you and everyone else who supports the club. However I really wish people would understand the harsh reality and wake up to the facts. This club we all love is being run down by inept leadership and if they are quite happy to sit back and not bring in some quality then championship here we come

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I don't think inept leadership is the reason we are going so badly. Put at its simplest, players won't want to come to us. Perennial relegation scraps and poor facilities. We can't spend money we don't have, and we can't make players form a queue to play for us.



But I agree that we're done this year. The teams we would expect to be scrapping with are all improving. Leigh have been close in their games and have now got their win. Their club looks category A. Hull KR are going well despite loss, as are Salford. They aren't winning, but they are playing very well. We haven't scored in two games.



We're down. I agree. It is early, but it is plain to see. The fault, in my view, is on all those parties who delayed the ground development, stunting our growth until our luck ran out (which it is, currently), not those behind the club. I just wish we could replicate all we do right off the pitch to performances on it.

Your disrespect for a man who has kept this club going through the hardest of challenges is laughable. Though you're not alone with the big mouths but little action on forums like this. Get in there and see if you can do better. I say it to all of you smart alecs

The fans are not being ridiculed. Quit the hyperbole, it helps nobody. We don't have huge financial resources. What is it about that that people don't understand. If you can find them, we're all ears

Well said. Me too. Its hard enough struggling to accept bad results. These so called supporters make it feel worse. Sick of them.

Carter is NOT A villain and that comment disgusts me. Fans so often talk out of their rears without understanding anything about the challenges facing their clubs overall. You are joining in with that. That language is uncalled for

Are you party to the inner workings of the club? If not, how do you know the facts? The facts are obvious to me. We have small attendances. We had a crumbling 100 year old ground. We have a league that requires us to upgrade our facilities. We had a council and a developer who shafted us. And you blame the man who kept our heads above water.

And of course, if you can do better, crack on