What is said about stats though? There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Started beginning of 2012 season so 8 with next year.

He showed a rare commodity in sport, loyalty when the easy option was to take the money and run, like so many have in the past. He deserves another year because he is still playing well and all clubs need a player like him.

He has suffered with injuries but that his due to his style of play much like Ellis who has probably missed more games.

Let us just be happy that any Wakefield player is so committed to us and the signal it sends to others who are thinking of signing extensions or joining us.

we could make it 9 if he signs year after that

Happy for Kirmond. Been great for us over the years.



A contract for sentiment and his loyalty over the years more than form and deserving on the pitch this year. If kirmo had arrived recent seasons I doubt he’d have been signed. That said I don’t expect he’ll be a starting player next season and will be a decent squad player who can produce the odd performance of old in spots.



Can’t fault his influence at the club and players. A good personality to have around the place.

Don't talk daft; statistics are like a bikini - what they reveal is interesting, but what they hide is vital.

Yeah of course I am. There is an old saying from thr British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. - now toddle off.

I agree with what you say Bren but its only when people try to use them to draw complex conclusions.

If you use statistics to decide who the best player is, then it is open to interpretation and misunderstanding.

If you want to find out who the top tackler is, its a straight updact

Homme Vaste, I'm not sure you speak Vastman as well as I do.

If you put this in to Google translate it will help you but effectively he means, "Yes sorry you are right. I was being an and got called out about it. I'll probably do it again though"

Hate to see a player get a testimonial, they never play well during the testimonial season , they are distracted and it also distracts the rest of the squad.

What an arrogant individual you really are. You're the one who only sees things in black and white or in a way that only suits your own viewpoint. It's not just me who's shot down your ludicrous stats argument, numerous posters have, so do they speak Vastman as well?



Or is it more accurate that speak Homme Vaste rather to well





It's you who as ever is wrong regarding you're slavish love of statistics, so why for once don't you head you're own advice?



Alternativly should I just agree with you that Kirmond is indeed the player he was when he got his last big contract, I mean seriously anyone can see he's still blasting through those gaps at speed whilst playing every game for the full eighty minutes - because that's clearly what you're suggesting pal.

Are you including JD in that statement?