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| Quote upthecats="upthecats"Ian Watson at Salford lost 19 out of 26 games over the back end of the 2017 season and the 2018 season. They finished 11th in 2018 and won 2 out of their last 10 games. In that run they suffered defeats of......25-0...38-14....24-50....30-0....10-60...45-14...52-22....44-10...
Prior to that he'd finished 10th in his first season in charge but suffered points deduction and actually won the same amount of games as us {10}....the season after they finished 4th...we finished 5th...same wins {13}....then they nosedived to 11th.
Did they get twitchy and think....well we've survived and finished one spot above relegation? No, they stuck with their man who over the course of the last couple of seasons had done a decent job at one of the so called lower clubs. Last season they had a dream run to the end of the season and reached the gran final...a super advert for sticking with a man who's done well, followed by a poor run.
This season...after losing many top players they're again struggling and are currently sat with the same 2 wins from 9 games as us....should Salford be sacking Watson?'"
How many finals has Chester taken Trinity to in his time here? Is he going to take us to any finals this season?
The answer is none and (very likely) no, which means that it's not really comparing like for like. Watson has bought himself a stay of execution with that, Chester hasn't, but has presided over more and worse losses
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| Quote Egg Banjo="Egg Banjo"How many finals has Chester taken Trinity to in his time here? Is he going to take us to any finals this season?
The answer is none and (very likely) no, which means that it's not really comparing like for like. Watson has bought himself a stay of execution with that, Chester hasn't, but has presided over more and worse losses'"
You have completely missed the point!
Watson had a shocking run 2017/18 but was not sacked...he then repaid that favour last season. If after that run, which is similar to our last 12-18 months they had sacked him...would they have reached the grand final last season?
I’m not saying we’re going to get to finals...to be honest though you could assemble the best coaching staff in the history of rugby league and we’d be struggling!
The fact is, unless a Wakey fan wins the euro millions and pumps it into the club then we’re always going to be flirting round the bottom end of the table with the possibility of sneaking into the playoffs if we had some real good luck with injuries...
Maybe what’s needed most of all is some harsh decisions on our so called top stars who spend more time on the sidelines than on the pitch?
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"5 wins from 25 with embarrassing losses to nil, passionless, clueless performances, same structural problems for the last 5 years despite being able to work with the same core group of players during that time.
You can call fans who aren’t happy “ grudge fans” whatever that means or insinuate that anyone not seeing unicorns and rainbows in our performances aren’t “genuine fans” all you like. The fact is we’ve been rank bad awful for at least 2 years, maybe it’s the Brian Smith factor wearing off or maybe the John Kear influence dissipating but Chester’s obviously not good enough!
It’s not the Wrong forwards, wrong platform, wrong halfbacks, wrong selection that’s the issue it’s the fact we’ve got the Wrong Coach! He been trying now for about 8 years and like HKR before us we’re now suffering from the coaches inadequacy!'"
I never said all fans who aren't happy are grudge fans. Far from it!! There are grudge fans. Not many, but there certainly are some! Also if genuine folk want a change in coach, it doesn't fuss me. I get it. In every sport, some fans want change, some fans dont. We're no different.
One of my points was the past 18 months has been incredibly difficult for the club and it's been extremely trying for Chezzy and the coaches and I've empathy with that.
But you've cleared it up for me if I was in any doubt, you want a new coach 
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| The difference between us and Salford is when there Coach took over they were skint ,and people were saying there would not survive the season .last year they had at least 5 players move on to bigger clubs .Mr Chester took over a good fit squad witch.after 2 season needed tweaking and we gone down hill from there big time .Ever though were we would be if our 5 best players ad moved on at the same time .
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| Quote alegend="alegend"The difference between us and Salford is when there Coach took over they were skint ,and people were saying there would not survive the season .last year they had at least 5 players move on to bigger clubs .Mr Chester took over a good fit squad witch.after 2 season needed tweaking and we gone down hill from there big time .Ever though were we would be if our 5 best players ad moved on at the same time .'"
Watson took over as coach in 2015..
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"5 wins from 25 with embarrassing losses to nil, passionless, clueless performances, same structural problems for the last 5 years despite being able to work with the same core group of players during that time.
You can call fans who aren’t happy “ grudge fans” whatever that means or insinuate that anyone not seeing unicorns and rainbows in our performances aren’t “genuine fans” all you like. The fact is we’ve been rank bad awful for at least 2 years, maybe it’s the Brian Smith factor wearing off or maybe the John Kear influence dissipating but Chester’s obviously not good enough!
It’s not the Wrong forwards, wrong platform, wrong halfbacks, wrong selection that’s the issue it’s the fact we’ve got the Wrong Coach! He been trying now for about 8 years and like HKR before us we’re now suffering from the coaches inadequacy!'"
Your post and that of Mick Amos' earlier were two very good posts imo giving sensible arguments for each school of thought, but on consideration I have to agree that your version of the state of affairs is the correct one, Avenger. The style of play and the results of the last two seasons are just unacceptable, and I'm afraid if Mr Carter still wants a Super League side in the seasons to come he's just got to bite the bullet and tell Chris Chester that his tenure is over or CC has to admit that he's lost the plot and resign. Nobody likes to lose their job, but it's a fact of life, sadly.
I seem to remember a short while ago Chris Chester making the public announcement on the following lines; " Signing Danny Brough is the last piece in the jigsaw in bringing success to Wakefield Trinity." or words to that effect. Nuff said!! 
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| Think that piece of the jigsaw belonged somewhere else. Didn’t belong in the Wakey one.
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| There was nothing wrong with the Brough signing half way through last season before he got injured and others....
And now, as many keep saying, he's the type of player we're missing.
He may have been a couple of seasons past his best but that's probably why we could afford him.
Just watching Hudds v Leeds...a very ordinary game but for me Sezer the clear difference between the two, ending sets well. They look a much better outfit with him on the field from what I've seen of them..
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| Quote Mick Amos 9 WTW="Mick Amos 9 WTW"I never said all fans who aren't happy are grudge fans. Far from it!! There are grudge fans. Not many, but there certainly are some! Also if genuine folk want a change in coach, it doesn't fuss me. I get it. In every sport, some fans want change, some fans dont. We're no different.
One of my points was the past 18 months has been incredibly difficult for the club and it's been extremely trying for Chezzy and the coaches and I've empathy with that.
But you've cleared it up for me if I was in any doubt, you want a new coach
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If something has happened behind the scenes that us fans don’t know about then Chester has my support as a bloke!
If you’re just referring to the stuff we all know about such as injuries, Covid-19 then he’s not dealing with anything that every other club has also been dealing with!
As for Watson, despite protestations above, Watson has had the lowest budget in SL. His club was transferred to a fans consortium and they very much looked like they might fold post Koukash making it almost impossible to recruit players. Even then he pulled a good team together only to see bigger clubs take players from his team for two years in a row. However, despite losing more than they win they at least looked like they cared, they were entertaining and well drilled. They showed that they could compete with the best and he took them to a Grand Final.
Finally, even the stats that you quote for winning and losing are still better than Chester’s.
It’s not that I want a new coach! It’s that I believe a new coach is an imperative if we are to avoid a relegation fight next year! This is a fact I’m not trying to hide so well done on sussing me out!
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| I'll be glad when this season is over and we can start to build for next, assuming we're gonna get some measure of normality.
The idea that we've had a decent undisrupted run at anything lately and that CC ought to go is absurd, but pretty typical of the misogynistic miserable attitude half this forum only live for to display.
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| Hopefully some overseas wages will go at seasons end, some youth may have come good and free some cash for a scrum half/ organiser with brain and boot.
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| Quote Manuel="Manuel"Hopefully some overseas wages will go at seasons end, some youth may have come good and free some cash for a scrum half/ organiser with brain and boot.'"
You could have the finest ingredients in the world, but if you've got a poor chef, you're never going to get a michelin star meal
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