Its a real shame for this lad,agar went to Aus/NZ and he was one of his finds, expectation came with him as a potential Rangi Chase im sure he has the talent but not SL standard yet,Maybe could be dual reg at a partner club.To think he is too good for the championship is putting rugby leagues 2nd tier down.Isaac John would blossom playing senior rugby week in week out.Maybe its part of his Cooke island deal to be at a SL club.

I'm pretty sure he was signed before Agar went to Oz last winter? I'm pretty sure he was in the first batch of signings that Elston made.

I think Isaac deserves some game time this season to prove himself. Felt pretty harsh on the lad as he got hyped up for no real reason before he came and everyone expected big things. Then he kind of got made a bit of a scapegoat by some for our slow start to last season and didnt feature at all after that hardly, but i dont think everyone was firing on all cylinders at that point either. I think he could come good if Agar is willing to give him some game time, but how will he fit in unless Sykes gets injured?

The lad is simply not good enough for top flight rugby and doesn't look like being so anytime soon, watched him against Feath and the only thing I recall him doing was shooting out of the line and missing a tackle. Best for both parties if we let him go.

That would be in your opinion and thus not bound to be correct.

Isaac John may not yet be SL standard and I have to admit I had serious doubts about him last year but I still think there is potential there. Perhaps a spell at Doncaster would be beneficial?

In any event wrtiting him off before the season has started is unproductive.

He may well prove a valuable assett as the season progresses.

I don't really understand the need to get rid of him.

Not everyone in the squad can play in the 13/17 but we have all said that if anything happens to Tim Smith we would be stuffed so having a better quality backup at half back is actually quite valuable. And something most teams below the top 4 don't have.

If we ever decided to move Sykes to another position as he is quite capable, I wouldn't be dreading John playing again. He has skills there is no doubt about that, he just has some holes too.

He can pass a wide ball as well as anyone. Cockayne benefited on a number of occassions.

He got some of his criticism for his goal kicking last time and that will no longer be an issue to him either so he can concentrate on just playing.

Going out on DC is an option but he will be a massive asset to a lower league team if he does. He is quite capable of playing Super League, just not one of the best players in Super League.



I'd also say that with Agar and Webster as coaches, I'd like to think his game has improved in the off season. I guess we'll see.

dont think he was I recall RA picking him up when he went down under pre season

Not being in anyway racist but, if he wasn't a quota player, he would be an excellent player to bring on.

The only issue is whether we could, or would, bring another overseas player in, if such a player was available.

Cant really see him getting any game time unless we have 2 or 3 injuries,so will be interesting to see if he is still with us at end of year, our run of form did coincide with him being replaced by sykes. Personally would prefer to see us developing local talent rather than bringing in development players fromn overseas.

issac certainly as skill, his problem is pace ,for a stand off he hasnt any ,but i agree with some on here im sure he could do a job for us if called upon, its just this lack of pace which stops him from being top notch

Agree.



This case is typical of he twisted logic applied by some fans.



They wet themselves at the prospect of Brad Singleton joining the club on loan - a ONE SL game player. Who judging from what I have seen will be a 6th choice prop. This is fair enough because he's young, inexperienced and not really quite ready for SL.



Isaac John is in exactly the same position but is derided as "crap" by certain poster - yet he is no better or worse than Wildie or Singleton or most 20 year old players.



So why pick on him, what is his crime. Being a foreigner as far as I can tell. Whether the club were right or wrong to invest in an overseas youngster is debatable but that's hardly Isaacs fault as he is probably exactly where you would expect him to be at this point in his development- about the same or slightly better than Wildie.



This is very unfair on the kid - he's a Kiwi but that doesn't mean he's instantly a superstar - he has been burdened with a level of over expectation that comes with being an overseas player, unfairly imho - he needs the same time to develop as any English player of similar ability.