said like a true non drinking, non smoking christian no doubt!!!



The crusade you are on on here to discredit the lad and get everyone to agree is well like you are ripped yourself

the club will deal with it as they seem fit

you have a sweet alcohol free xmas mate!!

What the hell has that got to do with anything?



[iYou[/i mentioned that having a drink problem is very serious (it is), but then went on to state that that's not the issue here. So if having a drink problem is nothing to do with Aspinwall's behaviour, why mention it in the first place?

I don't think I need to discredit him - he's doing a great job all by himself. And I'm not on any crusade, merely giving an opinion. It's nice to see that your most recent reincarnation is no more capable of rational thought than the last one, however.

I think on the era we should agree to disagree. Players have always had a responsibility to respect their fitness. I would also hazard a guess that Aspinwall is not on a massive salary either. Some salaries are pitiful. You only have to listen to Martin Offiah to know that. Full time does not mean mega riches.



I will accept Fry not the best example just the first one that came to mind. I could name hundreds more if I could be truly bothered. The point is we allow people off the rails to get back on. Its as I said part of a civilised society. You and others on here seem to think that rugby players shouldn't be given another chance. Please explain why.



All we are assuming here is that Martin was ratted. Now how do we know that he had a skin full. Has anyone thought he has been over training to prove a point. Keeping himself fit and healthy and one night off 7 weeks from the big ko ( I am sure he can have that) and due to being over tired very fit and well, 3 pints as opposed to a skin full have tipped him over. Its certainly happened to me before.

So do we sack him? In your eyes yes and no doubt before the 30th when he gets his say.



Let's just take the emotion out of this whole debate and see how events pan out. If come the 30th he is found guilty or pleads guilty then and only then try and condemn him. If he is guilty then just look to help and not wash our hands of him. That my friend is what a civilised society does. Which brings me full circle.

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Oh please, not this nonsense again.





Quite aside from the fact that some of us have been nearly 50 years on this earth and managed to not humiliate ourselves at the works 'do' and also not get arrested for anything whatsoever, there is the issue of mixing copious amounts of alcohol and training.



Talk about missing the point...

You seriously think that you can equate the fitness demands of modern pro RL with the old semi-pro game?



Really?

I never said it meant 'mega riches', I said pro RL players were 'relatively' well paid. I'd imagine the average first teamer will be on £30k+. Whilst not a fortune, it's a full time wage and they should be taking the appropriate measures to ensure that they are as fit as possible. To compare today's players to those of 20 years ago is a bit daft, in my opinion.







I don't think that players shouldn't be given 'another chance'. I think that they shouldn't be given endless chances. He's had problems at other clubs, he had a suspended sentence, then he went to prison. Cas didn't want him and Hull stepped in to offer him 'another chance'. If I were in his shoes, I'd be doing everything I possibly could to keep my nose clean and to get into the best shape possible before February. Instead, he gets arrested for being drunk and disorderly. We're not talking about one mistake here - it's a continuous pattern of behaviour.







I've never been in the position where 3 pints have made me so intoxicated that I end up in the cells. I don't think anyone else has. As someone (was it you?) pointed out, he would have received numerous warnings from the arresting officer to calm down and move along. If it is shown that he ignored those warnings, he was either very drunk or, if he'd only had three pints, a total idiot.







I dunno at this stage if we should sack him or not. If he's found guilty, yes, get rid. He's had enough chances before he came here and this shows his contempt for his employers and the club's fans.







There are consequences to all our actions, civilised society or not. If he's guilty, he should go. The last thing we need this season is another disruptive influence in the dressing room. The club should be sending out a message that the players need to be totally focussed on the job in hand, and that any transgressions will be severely dealt with - particularly where the perpetrator has previous form.

Had the full story of this now - i wont post on here but will tell by PM if you want.



Just to say this, dont want him at the club.

cheers

Thanks



I would hardly call any of it minor

Someone pm please, heard something 2day wonder if stories match? Thanking u.