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| Quote JMR="JMR"I strongly disagree.
Yes the have a superior coach, but Huddersfield are reaping the benefits of years of savvy recruitment - they don't mistake FC do in investing heavily in 'name' players who are winding down or taking chances on players who have had knee reconstructions etc.
The Brough, Brown, Robinson axis represents a high-quality combination of players in their prime, which is far above anything FC can offer, and this is supplemented by a devastating set of fit, strong forwards who play long minutes and don't miss tackles.
The likes of Mason, Griffin, Crabtree, Faiumu, Fa'alogo, Lunt and O'Donnell would walk into the Hull side.
In the backs, Cudjoe, McGillvray and Lawrence are supremely athletic and lose little, if anything, in comparison to Yeaman and Briscoe, while the whole operation is underpinned by more depth with seasoned-campaigners like Hodgson, Gilmour, Raleigh and Grix providing outstanding value for money on the cap.
Huddersfield are easily the best club in Yorkshire at the moment and, in my book, serious Grand Final contenders - something which Hull FC are a mile off at present (and will be next season).'"
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| I have no problem with what JMR is saying, but it is obvious he doesn't like Hull and loves Rovers, but he won't admit it.
JMR= Hull Neutral
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| Quote rover49="rover49"Yet you can go and turn Wire over with the same set of players !!!, probably more incosistant than any other SL team at the moment.'"
We're consistently inconsistent.
Thing is we have a pretty good squad, so every now and again everything 'clicks' and we turn in a good performance. Unfortunately we have a coach who can't get the mental side of training right and so we lack the discipline and mental toughness to turn in those performances week in and week out.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I have no problem with what JMR is saying, but it is obvious he doesn't like Hull and loves Rovers, but he won't admit it.
JMR= Hull Neutral'"
He's giving a biased assessment. If you compare our squad to Hudds they have a clear advantage in the pivots, maybe a slight advantage in the pack (although not much IMO), but the outside backs are pretty even. The difference in squad quality does not explain the large difference in performances IMO.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."I have no problem with what JMR is saying, but it is obvious he doesn't like Hull and loves Rovers, but he won't admit it.
JMR= Hull Neutral'"
I simply call it as I see it - and don't love Rovers.
There is no way Hull's squad (or Rovers') is as good as Huddersfield's - it's not even close!
And, the way the recruitment is shaping up for next year, that won't change.
Sorry.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"We're consistently inconsistent.
Thing is we have a pretty good squad, so every now and again everything 'clicks' and we turn in a good performance. Unfortunately we have a coach who can't get the mental side of training right and so we lack the discipline and mental toughness to turn in those performances week in and week out.'"
Summed up perfectly for me we simply are not ruthless enough in both attack and defence. Until we get rid of that soft underbelly disappointing results will be the norm and not the exception.
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| Quote JMR="JMR"I strongly disagree.
Yes the have a superior coach, but Huddersfield are reaping the benefits of years of savvy recruitment - they don't mistake FC do in investing heavily in 'name' players who are winding down or taking chances on players who have had knee reconstructions etc.
The Brough, Brown, Robinson axis represents a high-quality combination of players in their prime, which is far above anything FC can offer, and this is supplemented by a devastating set of fit, strong forwards who play long minutes and don't miss tackles.
The likes of Mason, Griffin, Crabtree, Faiumu, Fa'alogo, Lunt and O'Donnell would walk into the Hull side.
In the backs, Cudjoe, McGillvray and Lawrence are supremely athletic and lose little, if anything, in comparison to Yeaman and Briscoe, while the whole operation is underpinned by more depth with seasoned-campaigners like Hodgson, Gilmour, Raleigh and Grix providing outstanding value for money on the cap.
Huddersfield are easily the best club in Yorkshire at the moment and, in my book, serious Grand Final contenders - something which Hull FC are a mile off at present (and will be next season).'"
Think you're spot on with that, too many people think Hudds are overperforming just because they used to be rubbish.
I listened to a few calls into RH after the game yasterday and the general concensus was the coach was rubbish and any other coach would be pushing the team for honors. I'm not sure where this idea that on paper Fc have a championship contending side comes from. Bottom line is FC have probably the worst half back pairing(s) in SL and by the looks of it are planning on the same next year. Long, great player but too injury prone, no other 7 at the club. Horne's best years are behind him. Obst is a cracking little 9 but not a half and yet you've signed another 9 from oz.
IF Agar is in charge of recruitment then he's rubbish, if not then I fail to see how its his fault.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"He's giving a biased assessment. If you compare our squad to Hudds they have a clear advantage in the pivots, maybe a slight advantage in the pack (although not much IMO), but the outside backs are pretty even. The difference in squad quality does not explain the large difference in performances IMO.'"
Answered your own question there.
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Think you're spot on with that, too many people think Hudds are overperforming just because they used to be rubbish.'"
I don't think Hudds are over-performing at all. They have a very good squad and a very good coach, so good performances are to be expected. I just don't agree that our squad is far enough behind theirs to account for the difference in performances on it's own.
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Answered your own question there.'"
Nope. The difference in the two squads, even taking into account the advantage in the pivots, does not fully explain the differences in performances IMO. Particularly the difference in consistency of performance.
Going on your theory Agar must be a better coach than Morgan as he's had better results with poorer pivots. 
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Nope. The difference in the two squads, even taking into account the advantage in the pivots, does not fully explain the differences in performances IMO. Particularly the difference in consistency of performance.
Going on your theory Agar must be a better coach than Morgan as he's had better results with poorer pivots.
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Going on this seasons performances then how could I disagree  , I just think the pivots are so vital in the game and you're lack of a kicking game is what is costing you more games then any other aspect.
The way Brough sets the plays with such a dominant kicking game is what has kicked hudds up to another level.
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| Quote barham red="barham red"Going on this seasons performances then how could I disagree
, I just think the pivots are so vital in the game and you're lack of a kicking game is what is costing you more games then any other aspect.
The way Brough sets the plays with such a dominant kicking game is what has kicked hudds up to another level.'"
Our lack of a kicking game is undoubtedly our biggest single technical failing, but we have proved able to produce results regardless. What we can't do is produce the required level of performance on a regular basis. That's down to coaching IMO.
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