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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Looking at an objective reality - the survey and how it was carried out - from a subjective position isn't logical. The [iresult[/i will rightly be assessed on an absolutely subjective basis.
If you sent out X number of survey forms, and you had two thirds back in a week advocating Sunday matches, why would it be logical to wait for the remaining third to arrive before announcing the result?'"
I find it impossible to believe there was an overwhelming vote in favour of Sundays.
I would like to know how many people were eligible to take part in the survey, how many did take part and what were the results. It would surely be sensible to await the closing date of the survey before announcing any decisions.
If AP wants to go back to sunday rugby thats up to him, but he shouln't pretend that the fans' views matter. |
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Two different issues there.
1. Making a decision before the survey closes is not inherently illogical if you have more responses back in favour of Sundays than outstanding responses. The remaining responses cannot possibly change the result so waiting until they are in makes no difference.
2. The original plan appears to have been to canvas existing pass holders via the renewal forms. This would have given the most representative result. The downside is that you either have to delay the decision until the 2013 season or change things after people have bought passes. Clearly the club decided that they wanted to avoid that. The next best thing is what we had - send out surveys to a known group of FC fans who are likely to fill them in and return them in good time. It's not ideal but better than anything we've had before.'"
They saved money not sending us the invites to the BBQ this year, considering the gates are low I think they could have afforded to send it out to pass-holders tbh.The grapevine is not exclusive to FC fans, I know a couple of dobbins who get it! |
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| Quote Marfa Manu="Marfa Manu"With this in mind the club should be honest and say we have sampled a very small minority, not come out with all the overwhleming figures b0llox'"
I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess. |
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"The club have only said that an overwhelming majority of the [isurvey results[/i are in favour of Sundays. They've made no claims whatsoever regarding the views of the majority of the fanbase.
[uHow do you know how many people are signed up for The Grapevine BTW?[/u'"
I know of 6 dobbin supporters signed up as they are texting me as I type  .... |
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| Quote Staffs FC="Staffs FC"I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess.'"
Totally agree with that! |
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| Quote Staffs FC="Staffs FC"I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess.'"
Good post.  If its his decision let him come out and say so rather than pretending its the fans' choice. |
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Does it really matter? Friday or Sunday, the crowds aren't coming back until Agar's gone.
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"Good post.
If its his decision let him come out and say so rather than pretending its the fans' choice.'"
Like James Rule's survey you mean? |
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| Quote east hull FC fan="east hull FC fan"Does it really matter? Friday or Sunday, the crowds aren't coming back until Agar's gone.'"
It matters to those who can't go Friday and those who can't go Sunday. |
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"It matters to those who can't go Friday and those who can't go Sunday.'"
Local amateur moves to summer rugby as well, 11.30 KO, teams travelling away may have an impact on attendances. |
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"It matters to those who can't go Friday and those who can't go Sunday.'"
I doubt there's many that can't get to either. 6 on a Thursday is more advantageous to me. |
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"I find it impossible to believe there was an overwhelming vote in favour of Sundays.
I would like to know how many people were eligible to take part in the survey, how many did take part and what were the results. It would surely be sensible to await the closing date of the survey before announcing any decisions.
If AP wants to go back to sunday rugby thats up to him, but he shouln't pretend that the fans' views matter.'"
What you believe is up to you. Personally I don't find it so surprising that fans of a sport that tends to like its traditions would vote for the traditional game day, but there you go. Second guessing the British public is generally a fools game. 
I've no idea if we'll get details of the survey or not - my guess would be that it will depend largely on the response to the change. It would only be sensible to wait until the closing date of the survey if the outstanding responses would make a significant difference to the result.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"What you believe is up to you. Personally I don't find it so surprising that fans of a sport that tends to like its traditions would vote for the traditional game day, but there you go. Second guessing the British public is generally a fools game.
I've no idea if we'll get details of the survey or not - my guess would be that it will depend largely on the response to the change. It would only be sensible to wait until the closing date of the survey if the outstanding responses would make a significant difference to the result.
How do you know that he's pretending?'"
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| Quote Marfa Manu="Marfa Manu"How do you know he is not pretending ?'"
I don't. But then I'm not making claims that I do.
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If its his decision let him come out and say so rather than pretending its the fans' choice.
