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| Well done on your impressive fightback, we were lucky to get away with a point. Seems a strange decision for Hock to be sent off for dissent, very harsh unless there is more to it. That said the back chatting seems to have been creeping into our game so maybe it will set an example, don't want to end up like football!
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| Quote Chris Dalton="Chris Dalton"Another point, binning people for talking out of turn? I guess that means Paul Wellens banned every week and plenty of others? '"
Paul Wellens doesn't swear at the ref. He used to moan and complain but he didn't swear. There is a difference you know. Hock is a thug and a verbally abusive one too. It comes as no surprise to anyone that he was sent off for mouthing off at the ref.
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| Can't pretend I ain't gutted about letting that one slip, however that can't detract from your boys efforts in that second. Just way hungrier in every aspect of the game.
Would have been a cracking game for the neutrals I bet, but just a bit too heart attack inducing for both teams concerned.
All the best for the rest of the season!!
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| Quote Chris Dalton="Chris Dalton"Another point, binning people for talking out of turn? I guess that means Paul Wellens banned every week and plenty of others? Plent of loud mouths in rugby league, we're going to end up with a pretty light pitch at some games if referees bother to be consistant.'"
If they do that Sam Tomkins wouldnt play 10 mins of each game, we cant keep the poster boy out 
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| Danny brough got sent off for Wakefield against crusaders a few years back for telling ref to something off. Think got 2 or 3 matches for this. Hock sending off might have been same thing which is more like abusive language rather than dissent. Even if hock wasn't aiming it directly at the official with all the noise going on the official might have took it this way and prooving otherwise at the disciplinary will be a none starter.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Paul Wellens doesn't swear at the ref. He used to moan and complain but he didn't swear. There is a difference you know. Hock is a thug and a verbally abusive one too. It comes as no surprise to anyone that he was sent off for mouthing off at the ref.'"
Yeah, guys an angel. Like broadybull kindly said, so is Sam Tomkins.
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| Quote Riddlers="Riddlers"Can't pretend I ain't gutted about letting that one slip, however that can't detract from your boys efforts in that second. Just way hungrier in every aspect of the game.
Would have been a cracking game for the neutrals I bet, but just a bit too heart attack inducing for both teams concerned.
All the best for the rest of the season!!'"
Same here. Think you've got a great outfit together and you just need to work on finishing a game and keeping on top but I can see someone has studied your glory years and figured out a big imposing squad can get you very far.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Paul Wellens doesn't swear at the ref. He used to moan and complain but he didn't swear. There is a difference you know. Hock is a thug and a verbally abusive one too. It comes as no surprise to anyone that he was sent off for mouthing off at the ref.'"
I'm surprised by a red card for dissent, while I agree that the refs should be penalising and sin binning for talking back, I find a red card over the top.
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| If widnes can perform like that against the teams who will make up the bottom 6 places cant see them not getting into the playoffs, tremendous effort from 12 men who stuck to the game plan and could easily if not deservedly won it but a point a piece is prob the fair result (a bradford won the 1st half widnes the 2nd)
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"I'm surprised by a red card for dissent, while I agree that the refs should be penalising and sin binning for talking back, I find a red card over the top.'"
I suppose it depends on just what was said........but we are talking about Hicks here!
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| Quote broadybull87="broadybull87"If widnes can perform like that against the teams who will make up the bottom 6 places cant see them not getting into the playoffs, tremendous effort from 12 men who stuck to the game plan and could easily if not deservedly won it but a point a piece is prob the fair result (a bradford won the 1st half widnes the 2nd)'"
I'd agree with that Broady. If we can get our injured lads back and keep free from major injuries we could be knocking on the top 8 door. Still punching above our weight as we are only a few games into our 2nd season but boy are we enjoying it!
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"Paul Wellens doesn't swear at the ref. He used to moan and complain but he didn't swear. There is a difference you know. Hock is a thug and a verbally abusive one too. It comes as no surprise to anyone that he was sent off for mouthing off at the ref.'"
how do you know he doesn't? he certainly doesn't appear to be saying "Excuse me sir is it possible you are mistaken with that decision?"
just sayin'
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