I do not jump to Turners defense every 2 minutes, he has flaws in his game which needs development, mainly defense. I would like to think Gentle will attempt to develop those areas considering his age (and imo his potential) before throwing him on the scrap heap which appears to be the favored measure by most on here.

My knocking of Horney is not constant it has imo being justified for the last few years, you claim to have reasons for his previous form however I do not particularly agree with them, however I recognize when he is playing well and I am more than happy to acknowledge that, my opinion is that he is an average h/back and I care very little if you agree with that or not, you are entitled to your opinion which again I care very little about.

I found a dummy. Is it yours?



I'd be interested to know how you can disagree with the fact that Horne hasn't had a settled halfback partner for a few years. I'd be equally interested to know how you can disagree with the fact that he has had to perform a role to which his style of play isn't suited throughout that time. These are not opinions, they are facts. He's spent a lot of that time playing alongside Danny bloody Washbrook, for christ's sake. Just what did you expect?

Never mind Horney's lack of long kicking game - I haven't seen much of Seymour's yet.

I'm just hoping that Ellis doesn't turn out to be the same kind of 'special' as Turner.

He's the new Leon Pryce, apparently.

maybe the new richard horne

Or maybe the new richard horne is the new richard horne

Im not getting this bag turner ??



He has been our ( latest) utilety player and he is still v early 20,s. He has also been one of our only players with any attackng flair. Yes his defence needs work but he is a young lad and give him time, we signed him a prospect and that what he is. He is not ready to be a top 4 centre which we believe he could be but when under gentle he could surprise a few people !

I'm not sure I'd consider him a utility, he's played the vast majority of his games for us at centre, it's not like he's been shunted around as much as someone like Whiting. Like Whiting though, his handful of games at 6 were still more than enough to show that he isn't good enough there to be worth persevering with. At centre, it's a similar story to Hall: Good in attack, poor in defence, and he just doesn't seem to learn and improve from his mistakes. His positional play and decision making are still not good enough, nor showing noticeable signs of progress.



That leaves back row, which may be worth a chance, but is going to be a tough job for him to break into in our team.

the very same reasons i used to defend the often disappointing shaun berrigan

And just as valid IMO. Our inability to provide players with what they need to produce their best has been a huge problem over the last 4 years, and must be a major source of frustration/anger for them. I know if it was me I'd be thinking about how much of a short career I'd wasted (in playing terms) in that time.